jrodmc wrote:Too funny. The Melohaters looking to anyone and everyone to save them from the next 4 years. Chicago...LA....now Derrick Williams will be the catalyst to drive the hated Melonoma from the poor, sadsack, longsuffering Knick fans. (the GalloLoving, Mardy Collins Groupie, MozJerk contingent).

No Trade Clause. Trains for the Triangle in his own Nike Gym in NYC. His kid likes the area. He experienced the courtship of FA and stayed here anyway.

I don't understand how folks who hate him so, spend pages ranting about a one dimensional, greedy chucker, team carcinogen, yoot-killer, think any other GM in the world would then be dumb enough to take on the Pariah's max contract?

Personally I think the DWill signing will be a bust, just doesn't have the heart or desire to get better.

That said, when you're coming off a 17-65 season, you take some long shot bets here and there. This is strictly a dice roll by Phil, nothing more.

All in all though, Phil's moves in the draft and in free agency have been solid for the most part, considering Plan A and Plan B went to shyt.

TPercy wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Too funny. The Melohaters looking to anyone and everyone to save them from the next 4 years. Chicago...LA....now Derrick Williams will be the catalyst to drive the hated Melonoma from the poor, sadsack, longsuffering Knick fans. (the GalloLoving, Mardy Collins Groupie, MozJerk contingent).

No Trade Clause. Trains for the Triangle in his own Nike Gym in NYC. His kid likes the area. He experienced the courtship of FA and stayed here anyway.

I don't understand how folks who hate him so, spend pages ranting about a one dimensional, greedy chucker, team carcinogen, yoot-killer, think any other GM in the world would then be dumb enough to take on the Pariah's max contract?

Personally I think the DWill signing will be a bust, just doesn't have the heart or desire to get better.

That said, when you're coming off a 17-65 season, you take some long shot bets here and there. This is strictly a dice roll by Phil, nothing more.

All in all though, Phil's moves in the draft and in free agency have been solid for the most part, considering Plan A and Plan B went to shyt.

a very very questionable dice roll. He will be worse than Quincy Acy in my opinion, because at least Act could rebound really well and play with a lot of heart. This signing makes no sense.

You really have to look at the players Dwill had around him, guys his age or younger, multiple coaches in one season, different systems, no real PG, no structure in management, and clueless about his role. You can't just put talent on the floor with no direction, and expect them to just figure it out.

Duncan always talks about the veterans he had around him in his first couple seasons, the stability, the structure and goals.

You can put young low IQ players around other young low IQ players and expect much

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Too funny. The Melohaters looking to anyone and everyone to save them from the next 4 years. Chicago...LA....now Derrick Williams will be the catalyst to drive the hated Melonoma from the poor, sadsack, longsuffering Knick fans. (the GalloLoving, Mardy Collins Groupie, MozJerk contingent).

No Trade Clause. Trains for the Triangle in his own Nike Gym in NYC. His kid likes the area. He experienced the courtship of FA and stayed here anyway.

I don't understand how folks who hate him so, spend pages ranting about a one dimensional, greedy chucker, team carcinogen, yoot-killer, think any other GM in the world would then be dumb enough to take on the Pariah's max contract?

Personally I think the DWill signing will be a bust, just doesn't have the heart or desire to get better.

That said, when you're coming off a 17-65 season, you take some long shot bets here and there. This is strictly a dice roll by Phil, nothing more.

All in all though, Phil's moves in the draft and in free agency have been solid for the most part, considering Plan A and Plan B went to shyt.

a very very questionable dice roll. He will be worse than Quincy Acy in my opinion, because at least Act could rebound really well and play with a lot of heart. This signing makes no sense.

You really have to look at the players Dwill had around him, guys his age or younger, multiple coaches in one season, different systems, no real PG, no structure in management, and clueless about his role. You can't just put talent on the floor with no direction, and expect them to just figure it out.

Duncan always talks about the veterans he had around him in his first couple seasons, the stability, the structure and goals.

You can put young low IQ players around other young low IQ players and expect much

It'd be one thing if the numbers are trending up...but numbers never lie:

Season      Age  Tm  Lg   Pos   G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P 2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2011-12      20 MIN NBA    PF  66 15 21.5 3.1  7.5 .412 0.6 2.1 .268 2.5 5.5 .467 .449 2.1 3.0 .697 1.2 3.5 4.7 0.6 0.5 0.5 1.2 1.4  8.8
2012-13      21 MIN NBA    PF  78 56 24.6 4.3 10.1 .430 0.8 2.5 .332 3.5 7.6 .463 .471 2.5 3.5 .706 1.2 4.3 5.5 0.6 0.6 0.5 1.3 1.6 12.0
2013-14      22 TOT NBA SF-PF  78 15 23.3 2.6  6.2 .427 0.3 1.3 .263 2.3 4.9 .470 .454 2.4 3.3 .718 0.9 3.2 4.1 0.7 0.6 0.3 1.0 1.5  8.0
2013-14      22 MIN NBA    PF  11  0 14.7 1.7  4.9 .352 0.2 1.4 .133 1.5 3.5 .436 .370 1.3 1.5 .875 0.3 2.1 2.4 0.1 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.8  4.9
2013-14      22 SAC NBA    SF  67 15 24.7 2.8  6.4 .437 0.4 1.3 .286 2.4 5.1 .474 .465 2.6 3.6 .708 1.0 3.4 4.4 0.8 0.7 0.2 1.0 1.6  8.5
2014-15      23 SAC NBA    PF  74  6 19.8 2.9  6.6 .447 0.7 2.1 .314 2.3 4.4 .511 .498 1.8 2.6 .684 0.6 2.2 2.7 0.7 0.5 0.1 0.8 0.9  8.3
Career              NBA       296 92 22.4 3.3  7.6 .429 0.6 2.0 .301 2.7 5.6 .475 .468 2.2 3.1 .703 1.0 3.3 4.3 0.6 0.5 0.3 1.0 1.4  9.3
                                                                                                                                        
3 seasons       MIN NBA       155 71 22.6 3.6  8.6 .420 0.7 2.3 .298 3.0 6.4 .463 .459 2.2 3.1 .708 1.1 3.8 4.9 0.5 0.5 0.5 1.2 1.5 10.1
2 seasons       SAC NBA       141 21 22.1 2.9  6.5 .442 0.5 1.7 .304 2.3 4.8 .492 .482 2.2 3.1 .697 0.8 2.8 3.5 0.7 0.6 0.1 0.9 1.2  8.4

Just plateauing in mediocrity. Nothing great, just enough to stay in the league I guess.

Like I said boom or bust play from Phil. Sometimes 0 or 00 comes up in Roulette!

TPercy wrote:The more I look at his stats the more I hate this signing.

I think this is a case of looking at the talents that a player has and seeing a possible fit in the system. You can't really base everything off how a player looked in other systems. The Triangle is a completely different animal. The kind of guys that Phil has had on his rosters sometimes don't look like they would make much sense, but in his system they actually work.

Phil wants more actual production from the off ball movement. Those cuts to the basket need to be more productive. A guy like DWill is perfect for that particular role. He's a guy you want with the ball 2 steps and in from the hoop. He'll get a lot of that in the natural flow of the Triangle. As teams are paying attention to other scorers a guy like DWill can be a real problem for teams in the paint area. It may not work but there's a good chance that DWill can find a clear role that fits his strengths in the Triangle.

He's like a more talented version of what LT and Amundson bring. Energy guy that you don't have to call plays for. He just keeps moving and lurking behind the defense. With guards like Jose and Jerian, they should be able to hit him consistently for easy scores.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:The more I look at his stats the more I hate this signing.

I think this is a case of looking at the talents that a player has and seeing a possible fit in the system. You can't really base everything off how a player looked in other systems. The Triangle is a completely different animal. The kind of guys that Phil has had on his rosters sometimes don't look like they would make much sense, but in his system they actually work.

Phil wants more actual production from the off ball movement. Those cuts to the basket need to be more productive. A guy like DWill is perfect for that particular role. He's a guy you want with the ball 2 steps and in from the hoop. He'll get a lot of that in the natural flow of the Triangle. As teams are paying attention to other scorers a guy like DWill can be a real problem for teams in the paint area. It may not work but there's a good chance that DWill can find a clear role that fits his strengths in the Triangle.

He's like a more talented version of what LT and Amundson bring. Energy guy that you don't have to call plays for. He just keeps moving and lurking behind the defense. With guards like Jose and Jerian, they should be able to hit him consistently for easy scores.

its all peaches

If you didn't have anything to contribute you could've kept that comment to yourself.

DWill is still only 24. He does have talent and has shown flashes of what he can do when he's focused. There's still a chance for him to put it together and give a more consistent effort. If he can apply himself to giving a more consistent effort he can realize some of his potential. He wouldn't be the 1st player to improve after being a disappointment early on in his career. This is a good system for him to find a role and get his career on track for once.

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:The more I look at his stats the more I hate this signing.

I think this is a case of looking at the talents that a player has and seeing a possible fit in the system. You can't really base everything off how a player looked in other systems. The Triangle is a completely different animal. The kind of guys that Phil has had on his rosters sometimes don't look like they would make much sense, but in his system they actually work.

Phil wants more actual production from the off ball movement. Those cuts to the basket need to be more productive. A guy like DWill is perfect for that particular role. He's a guy you want with the ball 2 steps and in from the hoop. He'll get a lot of that in the natural flow of the Triangle. As teams are paying attention to other scorers a guy like DWill can be a real problem for teams in the paint area. It may not work but there's a good chance that DWill can find a clear role that fits his strengths in the Triangle.

He's like a more talented version of what LT and Amundson bring. Energy guy that you don't have to call plays for. He just keeps moving and lurking behind the defense. With guards like Jose and Jerian, they should be able to hit him consistently for easy scores.

Which cuts? Doesn't the power forward in the triangle position himself in mid range?(I may be wrong, but from what i have seen, the powerforward usually flashes to the elbow or top.of the key)

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:The more I look at his stats the more I hate this signing.

I think this is a case of looking at the talents that a player has and seeing a possible fit in the system. You can't really base everything off how a player looked in other systems. The Triangle is a completely different animal. The kind of guys that Phil has had on his rosters sometimes don't look like they would make much sense, but in his system they actually work.

Phil wants more actual production from the off ball movement. Those cuts to the basket need to be more productive. A guy like DWill is perfect for that particular role. He's a guy you want with the ball 2 steps and in from the hoop. He'll get a lot of that in the natural flow of the Triangle. As teams are paying attention to other scorers a guy like DWill can be a real problem for teams in the paint area. It may not work but there's a good chance that DWill can find a clear role that fits his strengths in the Triangle.

He's like a more talented version of what LT and Amundson bring. Energy guy that you don't have to call plays for. He just keeps moving and lurking behind the defense. With guards like Jose and Jerian, they should be able to hit him consistently for easy scores.

Which cuts? Doesn't the power forward in the triangle position himself in mid range?(I may be wrong, but from what i have seen, the powerforward usually flashes to the elbow or top.of the key)

It depends if he is a 4 or the back up 3. Either way there are opportunities for cuts at both positions. Of you think back to Jason Smith when Melo was playing he would cut often and that could increase with Williams given his athleticism.

I know his numbers and do not like the pick up at his price but I take every year as a new one so hopefully D. Will can surprises e

TPercy wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:The more I look at his stats the more I hate this signing.

I think this is a case of looking at the talents that a player has and seeing a possible fit in the system. You can't really base everything off how a player looked in other systems. The Triangle is a completely different animal. The kind of guys that Phil has had on his rosters sometimes don't look like they would make much sense, but in his system they actually work.

Phil wants more actual production from the off ball movement. Those cuts to the basket need to be more productive. A guy like DWill is perfect for that particular role. He's a guy you want with the ball 2 steps and in from the hoop. He'll get a lot of that in the natural flow of the Triangle. As teams are paying attention to other scorers a guy like DWill can be a real problem for teams in the paint area. It may not work but there's a good chance that DWill can find a clear role that fits his strengths in the Triangle.

He's like a more talented version of what LT and Amundson bring. Energy guy that you don't have to call plays for. He just keeps moving and lurking behind the defense. With guards like Jose and Jerian, they should be able to hit him consistently for easy scores.

its all peaches

If you didn't have anything to contribute you could've kept that comment to yourself.

DWill is still only 24. He does have talent and has shown flashes of what he can do when he's focused. There's still a chance for him to put it together and give a more consistent effort. If he can apply himself to giving a more consistent effort he can realize some of his potential. He wouldn't be the 1st player to improve after being a disappointment early on in his career. This is a good system for him to find a role and get his career on track for once.

I think guys forget how young Williams is. He is younger than Wear by almost a year. Also, his play was much better under George Karl. The contract was very fair. Williams is a former #2 pick. If he excells with the Knicks this is a great signing. If he doesn't he isn't being paid like a Bargs or Amare.

So? Wasn't Beasley and Thabeet former number 2 picks? Wasn't Bargs a former 1?
The guy sucks and doesn't deserve any apart fron the vet min.

Would you much rather have Beasley or Williams? They are similar players if you ask me; one simply has mental issues, while the other is not too assertive.