markvmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:These kind of articles are just so predictable. However they make no sense to me. What do these media guys think Melo was expecting this summer? There was no scenario where the Knicks could add stars and still fill all the holes in roster. This wasn't a ready made situation like Boston where you could just add a KG and Allen and immediately have a finals team.

I just think Melo won't ask for a trade if the Team is competitive. I don't see this roster being close to bad enough to make a trade request valid. The media is convinced this team can't compete. They don't really have a rationale for that based on anything but a bias. No big names to these media guys means a bad team. They aren't really examining the talent, fit or construction of the roster.

i see the knicks winning between 29-38 games so the notion of "competitive" is entirely subjective.

There were a lot of doubters before the 54 win season too. Sometimes things just click. It's about how the parts all come together. I don't believe these media guys have even put in the level of examination that you did when trying to predict what this team might be capable of. I bet you did way more evaluation of the roster than most of these media guys.

IMO this year's team should be able to function at a much more competitive level. We have some more reliable 2 way players on this roster. This team won't be a walkover every night. This is a team full of more mentally and physically tough players. I just think this team has much more fight than last year based on the character of the players and not just wishful thinking. These players don't have a losers mentality. I expect these players to be pumped to be in NY in a new situation.

Lots of optimists too before the 17 and two 23 win seasons. Sometimes things just click, and I hope you're right, but sometimes they don't.

Sure enough things can go wrong but usually you understand why. Last season isn't a mystery at this point. We know which players failed and why. I think this is a much better roster in terms of the character of the players and their fit for this style of play.

Phil had more options to build with his kind of players. Not that this will guarantee success but I think the odds for success are much better. These guys are quality support players. They can do the things a team needs around Melo. I think it will lead to a competitive team.

If we come out the gate with W's.....melo stays.

If we don't. .....melo leaves and opens up room for 2 max players.

I never thought a max guy should only be a scorer, which is the only justifiable reason hes making max money.

Even if we suck, Phil is likely going to point to the off season as both an opportunity to add significantly to our talent, but an opportunity for Phil to move Melo.

It will simply be easier to move Melo in the off season when the cap explodes- many teams will be in a position to ship out very little & adsorb Melo's contract.

blkexec wrote:Its a win.....win

If we come out the gate with W's.....melo stays.

If we don't. .....melo leaves and opens up room for 2 max players.

I never thought a max guy should only be a scorer, which is the only justifiable reason hes making max money.

I'm with the idea that is a win win. Whether melo is here or not it doesn't matter.

I can't see Melo traded at the deadline, but next offseason when the cap jumps, then he will be a hot commodity.

Right now is not worth talking about. It's just a reporter trying to get his name out there so he can get more twitter followers

Like other are saying, it's win win if Melo is healthy and producing.

If he's still here, should get us some W's to make up for the lost draft pick in the Bargnani trade.

If he's gone, it's even better because we'll probably get decent players and picks in the deal.

I'm cool either way.

nixluva wrote:These kind of articles are just so predictable. However they make no sense to me. What do these media guys think Melo was expecting this summer? There was no scenario where the Knicks could add stars and still fill all the holes in roster. This wasn't a ready made situation like Boston where you could just add a KG and Allen and immediately have a finals team.

I just think Melo won't ask for a trade if the Team is competitive. I don't see this roster being close to bad enough to make a trade request valid. The media is convinced this team can't compete. They don't really have a rationale for that based on anything but a bias. No big names to these media guys means a bad team. They aren't really examining the talent, fit or construction of the roster.

I usually agree with you on just about everything but I do think there was a couple of scenarios that if we got a little luck of like some bigger names wanting to come play with Melo or in New York that would of put us in with the top teams in the east. I do agree with what you say about the media people and the way they love to hate on whatever the Knicks do just like they hated on the Porzingis pick when we made the pick and they've done and are doing the same with what we've done in free agency. One big name free agent changed teams this year which of course was LMA but from the tier 2 players that were out there after all the big names resigned with there original teams Phil got some of the better players to come here.

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:haha one can dream

i don't think it's a dream anymore. once jackson changed realized no melocentric team can win a title, once the ridiculous contract was granted and melo's priorities were made clear, what with branding and all that comes with it, jackson made a sea change and has created a new narrative.

the countdown has begun!

yeah i can see melo headed to the rebuilding laker or cetlic, that makes all the sense in the world

What u was saying exactly. At least make it plausible by saying he is going to a contender looking for a legitimate scorer.

nixluva wrote:

markvmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:These kind of articles are just so predictable. However they make no sense to me. What do these media guys think Melo was expecting this summer? There was no scenario where the Knicks could add stars and still fill all the holes in roster. This wasn't a ready made situation like Boston where you could just add a KG and Allen and immediately have a finals team.

I just think Melo won't ask for a trade if the Team is competitive. I don't see this roster being close to bad enough to make a trade request valid. The media is convinced this team can't compete. They don't really have a rationale for that based on anything but a bias. No big names to these media guys means a bad team. They aren't really examining the talent, fit or construction of the roster.

i see the knicks winning between 29-38 games so the notion of "competitive" is entirely subjective.

There were a lot of doubters before the 54 win season too. Sometimes things just click. It's about how the parts all come together. I don't believe these media guys have even put in the level of examination that you did when trying to predict what this team might be capable of. I bet you did way more evaluation of the roster than most of these media guys.

IMO this year's team should be able to function at a much more competitive level. We have some more reliable 2 way players on this roster. This team won't be a walkover every night. This is a team full of more mentally and physically tough players. I just think this team has much more fight than last year based on the character of the players and not just wishful thinking. These players don't have a losers mentality. I expect these players to be pumped to be in NY in a new situation.

Lots of optimists too before the 17 and two 23 win seasons. Sometimes things just click, and I hope you're right, but sometimes they don't.

Sure enough things can go wrong but usually you understand why. Last season isn't a mystery at this point. We know which players failed and why. I think this is a much better roster in terms of the character of the players and their fit for this style of play.

Phil had more options to build with his kind of players. Not that this will guarantee success but I think the odds for success are much better. These guys are quality support players. They can do the things a team needs around Melo. I think it will lead to a competitive team.

newyorker4ever wrote:

TheGame wrote:The knicks should look to trade Melo if the right deal presents itself. Even if KP and Grant are the real deal, it will probably be two years before they are ready to compete for a championship. If we could move Melo for a solid young starter and draft picks, that might be the best move longterm.

Nothing can be done unless Melo wants to be traded and if he did want to be traded he would need to give a list of teams that he would want to be traded to and I don't see that list being the Lakers and Celtics cause Lakers are rebuilding so he might as well stay in New York and the Celtics are in Boston where I have a feeling isn't somewhere he would want to be living/playing but I would love for them to be on his list cause they have a ton of draft picks and young talent. So let's make a list of teams where we think he'd accept a trade.
I'll start with some teams that seem like locks:
Chicago---we already know he was close to going there.
LA Clippers
Washington---definitely a ?
Where else do you guys think he'd want to go play??

Knicks trade Melo to Chicago

Knicks receive Markief Morris Bobby Portis Eric Bledsoe and a #1 pick from Chicago in either 2016 or 2017

Phoenix gets Taj Gibson Nikola Mirotic Doug Mcdermott

Knicks News & Rumors: All Directions Pointing to Carmelo Anthony Being Traded Next; Celtics, Lakers Expected to Pursue All-Star

Staff Writer | Jul 24, 2015 03:01 PM EDT

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BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

TheGame wrote:The knicks should look to trade Melo if the right deal presents itself. Even if KP and Grant are the real deal, it will probably be two years before they are ready to compete for a championship. If we could move Melo for a solid young starter and draft picks, that might be the best move longterm.

Nothing can be done unless Melo wants to be traded and if he did want to be traded he would need to give a list of teams that he would want to be traded to and I don't see that list being the Lakers and Celtics cause Lakers are rebuilding so he might as well stay in New York and the Celtics are in Boston where I have a feeling isn't somewhere he would want to be living/playing but I would love for them to be on his list cause they have a ton of draft picks and young talent. So let's make a list of teams where we think he'd accept a trade.
I'll start with some teams that seem like locks:
Chicago---we already know he was close to going there.
LA Clippers
Washington---definitely a ?
Where else do you guys think he'd want to go play??

Knicks trade Melo to Chicago

Knicks receive Markief Morris Bobby Portis Eric Bledsoe and a #1 pick from Chicago in either 2016 or 2017

Phoenix gets Taj Gibson Nikola Mirotic Doug Mcdermott

Not feeling that. Knicks need a bit of a starphuch in return or some fire power.