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fitzfarm
Posts: 25286 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
7/22/2015 5:25 PM
like strickland grant can also post up his smaller defender
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
7/22/2015 5:37 PM
Terry Porter is a good one
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40254 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
7/22/2015 7:09 PM
Here are some old highlights of Derek Harper. You can see how he pushes the ball and he used his size on offense. Harper was also a so-so three point shooter coming out of college, just like Grant.
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Panos
Posts: 30580 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
7/22/2015 7:18 PM LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015 7:18 PM
I'm thinking somewhere between Howard Eisley and Moochie Norris.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
7/22/2015 7:28 PM
callmened wrote:whats a good REALISTIC comparison for Jerian Grant? no not mudiay, westbrook, jrue holiday or CP3. i think dude will be around for a decade based on his smarts and defense. i think hes a winner who can be a nice role player for a good team. i dont think he'll ever be a star or #2 or #3 option...just a steady role player I don't know what or who he's gonna be because he hasn't even played a single minute in a NBA game against NBA players yet. |
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callmened
Posts: 24448 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/26/2012 Member: #4234 |
7/22/2015 8:11 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:callmened wrote:whats a good REALISTIC comparison for Jerian Grant? no not mudiay, westbrook, jrue holiday or CP3. i think dude will be around for a decade based on his smarts and defense. i think hes a winner who can be a nice role player for a good team. i dont think he'll ever be a star or #2 or #3 option...just a steady role player well duh. lol. im just trying to think of a good comparison or who he reminds me of. this is a meaningless exercise only practiced during dead summer space. Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
7/22/2015 8:21 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Here are some old highlights of Derek Harper. You can see how he pushes the ball and he used his size on offense. Harper was also a so-so three point shooter coming out of college, just like Grant. Love that era. Those Maverick teams rivalry against the Lakers were like the Knicks vs Bulls in the Ewing days. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
7/22/2015 8:36 PM
LivingLegend wrote:callmened wrote:whats a good REALISTIC comparison for Jerian Grant? no not mudiay, westbrook, jrue holiday or CP3. i think dude will be around for a decade based on his smarts and defense. i think hes a winner who can be a nice role player for a good team. i dont think he'll ever be a star or #2 or #3 option...just a steady role player I like that comparison. They both keep their heads up when they have the ball as well. Most years drafting Grant would have been a big deal without Porzingis being drafted as well. |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
7/22/2015 8:38 PM
charlie ward
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
7/22/2015 9:27 PM LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015 9:28 PM
Mike Conley is right at the 2nd tier PG's with good size to defend some SG's when needed
There really is no weakness to his game, not much he can not do if he wanted to, and he has that floater that he mastered with his off hand that is tough to defend He is proven in this league and he chooses to take a step back for the system to run through Gasol and ZBO Conley could easily put up much better numbers if he chose to be aggressive, however, he looks to get others involved first as ZBO and Gasol take majority of the shots, so his team mates can stay focused in the game on both ends I do not know how some guys here can think that Grant is already better than Conley |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/22/2015 9:50 PM
mreinman wrote:charlie ward COME ON MAN!!! At his best he was just under 8ppg, 6asts and 2 Stls and most of his career he wasn't even that. I think Jerian has a chance to be more than that. IMO he's a higher caliber of player than Ward. |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
7/22/2015 10:02 PM
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:charlie ward his per 36 was 10/6.5/4.2(very good rebounder) that is the bar that you should set. Setting silly expectations for these kids is plain silly. Have we not learned from this? so here is what phil is thinking ....
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NumberTwoPencil
Posts: 20936 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/31/2003 Member: #481 USA |
7/22/2015 10:11 PM
Sigh. I'd say Panos's "somewhere between Howard Eisley and Moochie Norris". is an optimistic outcome. I like Grant a lot but expecting him to be more than a solid rotation player (and occasional starter, maybe) in the long run _is_ optimistic. The odds of him making it to Conley status, or even Charlie Ward-level, are very, very slim, say below 1 in 10. Eisley and Norris, laugh at them or not, had decade-long NBA careers and relatively few draftees, even those selected at 19, have long careers. I wish Grant the best and, yes, he seems to have the mental tools to make something work but . . .
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Panos
Posts: 30580 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
7/22/2015 10:29 PM LAST EDITED: 7/22/2015 10:29 PM
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Sigh. I'd say Panos's "somewhere between Howard Eisley and Moochie Norris". is an optimistic outcome. I like Grant a lot but expecting him to be more than a solid rotation player (and occasional starter, maybe) in the long run _is_ optimistic. The odds of him making it to Conley status, or even Charlie Ward-level, are very, very slim, say below 1 in 10. Eisley and Norris, laugh at them or not, had decade-long NBA careers and relatively few draftees, even those selected at 19, have long careers. I wish Grant the best and, yes, he seems to have the mental tools to make something work but . . . Actually, I was joking, but your point is well taken. That said, I could see Charlie Ward as a reasonable comparison for Grant. Sure, he could amount to nothing, like Frank Williams, who I do think is also a reasonable comparison. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/22/2015 10:45 PM
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:charlie ward Who's setting "silly expectations"? You are the one saying Jerian is gonna be Charlie Ward, which isn't really a good thing. No one has suggested that Jerian is gonna be an All Star. The most popular comparison is Mike Conley which is a much more flattering comparison than suggesting Jerian would be another Charlie Ward, which is basically a diss. They're totally different players. We all respect Charlie Ward and his tough nosed defense but I don't see anything in Jerian that suggests he'll be limited to Ward's level.
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NumberTwoPencil
Posts: 20936 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/31/2003 Member: #481 USA |
7/23/2015 12:29 AM
Um, Charlie Ward also won the Heisman Trophy. He might possibly have had his mind on one or things other than football while he was in college. Not that that's particularly good or bad. I don't see comparing Grant to Ward a diss at all. Ward had a better career than most. There are a lot more Frank Williams around than Charlie Wards. That said . . . here's hoping Grant becomes Mike Conley.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/23/2015 12:46 AM
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Um, Charlie Ward also won the Heisman Trophy. He might possibly have had his mind on one or things other than football while he was in college. Not that that's particularly good or bad. I don't see comparing Grant to Ward a diss at all. Ward had a better career than most. There are a lot more Frank Williams around than Charlie Wards. That said . . . here's hoping Grant becomes Mike Conley. I would have to disagree tho. I think people may have respected Ward but no one is gonna be happy if all Jerian turned out to be was another Charlie Ward. Perhaps with the passage of time people are remembering Ward a bit more fondly than they did at the time he was playing. He was a guy that you couldn't hate cuz he was such a decent guy but he wasn't anything special as a player. I think if Jerian is more like a Mike Conley that we'd all be much happier with that result than a Charlie Ward. |
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stopstandthere
Posts: 20775 Alba Posts: 8 Joined: 3/3/2015 Member: #6004 |
7/23/2015 6:34 AM
A realistic comparison here: Oladipo. No?
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