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BRIGGS wrote:19mm we have to spend next year--thats not a lot of money considering how thinsga re going. It cost 13.5 mm to get Robin Lopez here a guy who wouldnt start on 15 teams.

Why are you knocking RoLo? He's a solid Defensive Center for this team and really his money isn't a problem given his position. I'm sure that if Phil wants to add a big name FA next year he'll find a way to clear cap in order to do that. In the meantime barring the unlikely chance that we could get a top FA to come next year we still have a solid big man in the middle for this team. RoLo is the Bird in the Hand rather than worrying about the hoped for FA later on. Who says we'll even be targeting a Max FA next year?

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:good deal for both sides. gallo has to stay healthy becuase when he's on the court, he's proven to be very productive. pretty sure he scored 50 last year in one of the last games of the season.

Terrence Ross scored 50...That's a lot of coin for a 40% shooter..

gallinari is a very efficient scorer-- not elite but close-- and a better defender than melo. i'd rather have gallinari here in msg than melo.... how's jr smith's job search going? is he and his sister boning up on mandarin yet?

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:19mm we have to spend next year--thats not a lot of money considering how thinsga re going. It cost 13.5 mm to get Robin Lopez here a guy who wouldnt start on 15 teams.

Why are you knocking RoLo? He's a solid Defensive Center for this team and really his money isn't a problem given his position. I'm sure that if Phil wants to add a big name FA next year he'll find a way to clear cap in order to do that. In the meantime barring the unlikely chance that we could get a top FA to come next year we still have a solid big man in the middle for this team. RoLo is the Bird in the Hand rather than worrying about the hoped for FA later on. Who says we'll even be targeting a Max FA next year?

Maybe 5pts 4 reb per game last playoffs?

RoLo is a role player and not a superstar. He's not paid like a superstar either. I think Portland had a lot more problems than RoLo in the playoffs. Besides a bad playoff performance can happen to anyone and it does happen. You keep focusing on last playoffs but the year before he was in the postseason as well.

Season	Age  Tm  Lg  Pos  G  GS  MP   FG  FGA  FG%  2P  2PA  2P%  eFG%  FT  FTA  FT%  ORB  DRB  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS
2013-14	25   POR NBA C    11 11  33.4 3.9 8.0  .489 3.9	8.0  .489 .489	2.2 3.3	.667  4.3  4.9	9.2  0.8  0.5  1.8  1.0  3.6 10.0
2014-15	26   POR NBA C    5  5   23.4 1.8 3.0  .600 1.8	3.0  .600 .600	1.6 1.6	1.000 1.8  2.6	4.4  0.6  0.2  1.0  1.0  3.0  5.2

Robin also had a broken hand last year.

Robin Lopez expected to return from hand injury Tuesday night
Kurt Helin Feb 3, 2015, 4:15 PM EDT

The Portland Trail Blazers defense just got better.

Robin Lopez, who has been out since Dec. 15 with a broken hand, is likely to return to the Portland lineup on Tuesday night. As Jabari Young of CSNNW.com noted this was expected, Lopez was listed as “probable” on Monday, but Tuesday the news was confirmed by David Locke, the voice of the Jazz.

The Blazers were a respectable 13-10 without Lopez in the lineup, but their defense is 7.7 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the court. Lopez is long and active, plus he anticipates well. He’s their anchor in the paint, plus it lets them move the solid but not spectacular (save for his beard) Chris Kaman to a reserve role. Lopez averaged 9.6 points (on 50.5 percent shooting) plus 7.2 rebounds a game.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:19mm we have to spend next year--thats not a lot of money considering how thinsga re going. It cost 13.5 mm to get Robin Lopez here a guy who wouldnt start on 15 teams.

Robin Lopez would absolutely start on more teams than Gallinari. 100% he would. He's a far superior player if you want to win basketball games.

Gallinari at peak play vs Lopez? Why do you think Portland gave up on him? I mean hes their guy? Hes a poor mans Tyson Chandler thats not bad--but Gallinari has the ability to take over games. I think we see much more of late season much healthier Gallo and thats a pretty good player.

I think we bought 30mm worth of complimentary role players. Thats not a belittlement--and it might workout very well. But lets take into consideration were getting a back up C from a 20 win team. A F we overpaid for that we will have to find a position for and a solid role playing type C. Our draft picks have MUCH more talent than what we spent 30mm on. My opinion. And again its the cards we were dealt and we will be better.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:good deal for both sides. gallo has to stay healthy becuase when he's on the court, he's proven to be very productive. pretty sure he scored 50 last year in one of the last games of the season.

Terrence Ross scored 50...That's a lot of coin for a 40% shooter..

gallinari is a very efficient scorer-- not elite but close-- and a better defender than melo. i'd rather have gallinari here in msg than melo.... how's jr smith's job search going? is he and his sister boning up on mandarin yet?

Gallo is not a better defender than Melo..No one cares if Gallo plays defense..The fact that you tout Gallo's defensive prowess all these years and no one challenges you doesn't make him a good defender..No one cares to argue the point..Gallo is a so so defender..And at 6'10" giving you less than 5 boards a games..Will Chandler has always been the better defender..I could give two shiits about JR and his job prospects..I'm not the one who is obsessed with him...U guys act like JR is about to marry your first born..

actually on basketballreference.com gallinari's real plus/minus on defense are better than melo's, his offense real plus/minus is a little bit less than melo's, and his cumulative real plus/minus is better than melo's. moreover melo has always been the featured player on his team while gallinari has not been close to a featured player. gallinari even with this ridiculous new contract remains the better value dollar for dollar....

so far as the eye test and defense: you are mr. magoo

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:good deal for both sides. gallo has to stay healthy becuase when he's on the court, he's proven to be very productive. pretty sure he scored 50 last year in one of the last games of the season.

Terrence Ross scored 50...That's a lot of coin for a 40% shooter..

gallinari is a very efficient scorer-- not elite but close-- and a better defender than melo. i'd rather have gallinari here in msg than melo.... how's jr smith's job search going? is he and his sister boning up on mandarin yet?

Gallo is not a better defender than Melo..No one cares if Gallo plays defense..The fact that you tout Gallo's defensive prowess all these years and no one challenges you doesn't make him a good defender..No one cares to argue the point..Gallo is a so so defender..And at 6'10" giving you less than 5 boards a games..Will Chandler has always been the better defender..I could give two shiits about JR and his job prospects..I'm not the one who is obsessed with him...U guys act like JR is about to marry your first born..

actually on basketballreference.com gallinari's real plus/minus on defense are better than melo's, his offense real plus/minus is a little bit less than melo's, and his cumulative real plus/minus is better than melo's. moreover melo has always been the featured player on his team while gallinari has not been close to a featured player. gallinari even with this ridiculous new contract remains the better value dollar for dollar....

so far as the eye test and defense: you are mr. magoo

Basketball reference plus/minus..That's why u can't be taken seriously..Gallo averaged 1 assist per game last year..And its not the first time in his career..

I think a "healthy" Gallinari is significantly better than Lopez--I think most of the NBA would agree. Lopez is a quality complimentary player (NBA C) while Gallo has the ability to take over NBA games by himself. I think Gallo is a very decent defender--not as good as Lopez but overall a good defensive player. If you add in offense that separates the two by a good margin.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:good deal for both sides. gallo has to stay healthy becuase when he's on the court, he's proven to be very productive. pretty sure he scored 50 last year in one of the last games of the season.

Terrence Ross scored 50...That's a lot of coin for a 40% shooter..

gallinari is a very efficient scorer-- not elite but close-- and a better defender than melo. i'd rather have gallinari here in msg than melo.... how's jr smith's job search going? is he and his sister boning up on mandarin yet?

Gallo is not a better defender than Melo..No one cares if Gallo plays defense..The fact that you tout Gallo's defensive prowess all these years and no one challenges you doesn't make him a good defender..No one cares to argue the point..Gallo is a so so defender..And at 6'10" giving you less than 5 boards a games..Will Chandler has always been the better defender..I could give two shiits about JR and his job prospects..I'm not the one who is obsessed with him...U guys act like JR is about to marry your first born..

actually on basketballreference.com gallinari's real plus/minus on defense are better than melo's, his offense real plus/minus is a little bit less than melo's, and his cumulative real plus/minus is better than melo's. moreover melo has always been the featured player on his team while gallinari has not been close to a featured player. gallinari even with this ridiculous new contract remains the better value dollar for dollar....

so far as the eye test and defense: you are mr. magoo

Basketball reference plus/minus..That's why u can't be taken seriously..Gallo averaged 1 assist per game last year..And its not the first time in his career..

But...but...I just know that there's a Strato-mel0-metric somewhere that will show how much better that 1 dime made all Gallo's teammates! And look, Mr. Almost Elite ISN'T AS GOOD OFFENSIVELY AS MR. CHUCKSHOT, DINOSAUR GAME MELO!

So an overpaid, second tier player who barely plays in half of any games, has NEVER managed to get out of the first round of the VARSITY SEASON, is a better economic investment than Melonoma.

You show slight signs of intelligence, dktf, and then you always revert back down the bunny hole...

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:good deal for both sides. gallo has to stay healthy becuase when he's on the court, he's proven to be very productive. pretty sure he scored 50 last year in one of the last games of the season.

Terrence Ross scored 50...That's a lot of coin for a 40% shooter..

gallinari is a very efficient scorer-- not elite but close-- and a better defender than melo. i'd rather have gallinari here in msg than melo.... how's jr smith's job search going? is he and his sister boning up on mandarin yet?

Gallo is not a better defender than Melo..No one cares if Gallo plays defense..The fact that you tout Gallo's defensive prowess all these years and no one challenges you doesn't make him a good defender..No one cares to argue the point..Gallo is a so so defender..And at 6'10" giving you less than 5 boards a games..Will Chandler has always been the better defender..I could give two shiits about JR and his job prospects..I'm not the one who is obsessed with him...U guys act like JR is about to marry your first born..

actually on basketballreference.com gallinari's real plus/minus on defense are better than melo's, his offense real plus/minus is a little bit less than melo's, and his cumulative real plus/minus is better than melo's. moreover melo has always been the featured player on his team while gallinari has not been close to a featured player. gallinari even with this ridiculous new contract remains the better value dollar for dollar....

so far as the eye test and defense: you are mr. magoo

Basketball reference plus/minus..That's why u can't be taken seriously..Gallo averaged 1 assist per game last year..And its not the first time in his career..

fish, as always, beats me to it...

But...but...I just know that there's a Strato-mel0-metric somewhere that will show how much better that 1 dime made all Gallo's teammates! And look, Mr. Almost Elite ISN'T AS GOOD OFFENSIVELY AS MR. CHUCKSHOT, DINOSAUR GAME MELO!

So an overpaid, second tier player who barely plays in half of any games, has NEVER managed to get out of the first round of the VARSITY SEASON, is a better economic investment than Melonoma.

You show slight signs of intelligence, dktf, and then you always revert back down the bunny hole...

i prefer the bunny hole if it means forcing you to waste precious time responding to me. i said the contract was ridiculous. the nuggets are paying for gallinari's potential, which has never been wholly relaized because he has been chronically injured.

to review:

gallinari has a ridiculous contract
gallinari is being paid for what the nuggets in him if he can only stay healthy so it is a big gamble for them

meantime acquiring melo the way dolan forced walsh to do in february 2011 has done nothing for the knicks. that's 5 years of futility and counting....

this season will be great for me because either melo is a good employee and buys in and changes his game to suit the system or he pulls a marbury and pouts, sulks, is disgruntled and asks to be traded-- revealing his character once again as nothing to be lauded. for me it's a win-win.

for you? lose-lose