mreinman wrote:I think the triangle is outdated and perhaps a bit stupid for todays game where GM's are becoming really smart and hiring really smart guys.

Phil does not believe it is stupid and believe that whoever does not run the triangle is stupid.

Come on man! That's not what Phil thinks. He's often talked about the fact that there is more than one way to win. He loves what the Spurs do and was complementary of the Warriors and Hawks. When he fired Fish he told him that he should make the Triangle his own and introduce whatever tweaks he felt were needed. Phil did the same thing when he was coaching. He made tons of changes over the years depending on his roster. The underlying principles of the Triangle are pure basketball. Ball and Player movement. There's nothing stupid about it. It expect that Fish will have the team playing some really fun and exciting basketball this year.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Don't believe there is ever a good reason for Phil not to acknowledge a player on the team. Nothing Zen about that.

Actually Phil does a lot of things like that for a reason. He's not a stupid man. He's one of those guys that is always playing mind games with people. It's annoying IMO but that's the kind of person Phil is. Phil often wants to keep people on their toes. Pat Riley isn't that much different. You'd be surprised how many people in leadership positions in sports are like that. Tex Winter used to push Phil's buttons on the bench during games. It's something that would tick him off but he also liked it.

Jackson is the president of the franchise not the coach. Its beneath someone of his stature to treat players like they dont exist. If Phil really wants to motivate a player who is underperforming (which we don't know was the case) stopping and giving a few words of encouragement to a player would go a lot further than the silent treatment.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Don't believe there is ever a good reason for Phil not to acknowledge a player on the team. Nothing Zen about that.

Actually Phil does a lot of things like that for a reason. He's not a stupid man. He's one of those guys that is always playing mind games with people. It's annoying IMO but that's the kind of person Phil is. Phil often wants to keep people on their toes. Pat Riley isn't that much different. You'd be surprised how many people in leadership positions in sports are like that. Tex Winter used to push Phil's buttons on the bench during games. It's something that would tick him off but he also liked it.

Jackson is the president of the franchise not the coach. Its beneath someone of his stature to treat players like they dont exist. If Phil really wants to motivate a player who is underperforming (which we don't know was the case) stopping and giving a few words of encouragement to a player would go a lot further than the silent treatment.

I am sure that he tried. Didn't he take him out to dinner a few times?

So Phil's thinking. " Oh yeah I talked to that player at dinner a few weeks ago....... f'em."

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Don't believe there is ever a good reason for Phil not to acknowledge a player on the team. Nothing Zen about that.

Actually Phil does a lot of things like that for a reason. He's not a stupid man. He's one of those guys that is always playing mind games with people. It's annoying IMO but that's the kind of person Phil is. Phil often wants to keep people on their toes. Pat Riley isn't that much different. You'd be surprised how many people in leadership positions in sports are like that. Tex Winter used to push Phil's buttons on the bench during games. It's something that would tick him off but he also liked it.

Jackson is the president of the franchise not the coach. Its beneath someone of his stature to treat players like they dont exist. If Phil really wants to motivate a player who is underperforming (which we don't know was the case) stopping and giving a few words of encouragement to a player would go a lot further than the silent treatment.

I am sure that he tried. Didn't he take him out to dinner a few times?

So Phil's thinking. " Oh yeah I talked to that player at dinner a few weeks ago....... f'em."

I am sure that they tried very hard last year to get Melo to buy in and now they are quite frustrated.

Melo buying or not buying in wasn't what killed the season.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Don't believe there is ever a good reason for Phil not to acknowledge a player on the team. Nothing Zen about that.

Actually Phil does a lot of things like that for a reason. He's not a stupid man. He's one of those guys that is always playing mind games with people. It's annoying IMO but that's the kind of person Phil is. Phil often wants to keep people on their toes. Pat Riley isn't that much different. You'd be surprised how many people in leadership positions in sports are like that. Tex Winter used to push Phil's buttons on the bench during games. It's something that would tick him off but he also liked it.

Jackson is the president of the franchise not the coach. Its beneath someone of his stature to treat players like they dont exist. If Phil really wants to motivate a player who is underperforming (which we don't know was the case) stopping and giving a few words of encouragement to a player would go a lot further than the silent treatment.

I am sure that he tried. Didn't he take him out to dinner a few times?

So Phil's thinking. " Oh yeah I talked to that player at dinner a few weeks ago....... f'em."

I am sure that they tried very hard last year to get Melo to buy in and now they are quite frustrated.

Melo buying or not buying in wasn't what killed the season.

That maybe true but he still needs to buy in and he won't. This thread is based on conjecture and there's nothing to support either side. But based on the article about why he traded JR/Shump it shows clearly that his mindset is towards team oriented two way players which Melo is not. I thik its less about being at odds and more about Phil doing what Phil does. We finally have someone with a bigger ego and more credibility than Melo - so this year will definitely show some fireworks.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:There was an article I read recently that stated Mills is the main guy that deals with agents and players....It revealed that Melo would be in Mills office talking about potential draft picks and FA's. It also stated that Phil prefers to stay away from the players as much as he can to avoid stepping on Fish's toe, also, many times Phil walk right pass players at the Westchester facility without saying a word....

So, I believe its overblown a bit...I also feel like this topic is overblown and has been run into the ground a bit

I actually think that its very UNDER blown at it is much bigger than being reported.

based on? This is common for players not to talk to the team President. Ask Kobe. everyone isn't Lebron or Durant. I know Noah isn't a top 5 player but the Bulls president said he hasn't really seen him since the season was over. Noah went back to g'ville and was in LA.

did Kobe not have a big rift with Phil? If it was up to him, he would have been traded 50 times.

I am not talking about kobe and Phil. I am talking about Kobe and West/kupcheck, the relationship between player and President/GM.

I mean people over blow everything. After the draft it was did you see how phil wasn't exited about KP...

It's NY everything is over the top.

so you think that there is not much going on?

I haven't seen anything from either person. Phil didn't like him not having surgery sooner is not a big deal to me.

It just seems weird how almost everything contradicts itself when it comes to Melo and people.

Shump and Melo don't get along and he wants him gone yet they talk during the playoffs

Tyson dislikes melo but wants him on the Mavs.

Melo can't stand Hardaway but now that he is traded THjr was like his adopted son. He took THjr in after his father gave him another harsh scolding.

I was not talking about Melo and all those guys, of course crap will get reported.

I am talking about Phil. Phil hates stupid play and he hates insubordination from his stars. He hates when players refuse to accept a team concept.

Phil has gotta to be steaming.

Just my own opinion on what he is thinking ... heck if Nixluva and Harvey Araton can do it then so can I

Yet, Phil still signed him to a max contract! Hmmmmmm.....

I assume Mreinman is saying that Phil is upset about Melo's play and behavior *after* he signed him to that contract.

Melo has been accused of plenty of stupid plays and insubordination over the years....Also been accused of not accepting a team concept...Think Phil never heard these indictments before?

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Don't believe there is ever a good reason for Phil not to acknowledge a player on the team. Nothing Zen about that.

Actually Phil does a lot of things like that for a reason. He's not a stupid man. He's one of those guys that is always playing mind games with people. It's annoying IMO but that's the kind of person Phil is. Phil often wants to keep people on their toes. Pat Riley isn't that much different. You'd be surprised how many people in leadership positions in sports are like that. Tex Winter used to push Phil's buttons on the bench during games. It's something that would tick him off but he also liked it.

Jackson is the president of the franchise not the coach. Its beneath someone of his stature to treat players like they dont exist. If Phil really wants to motivate a player who is underperforming (which we don't know was the case) stopping and giving a few words of encouragement to a player would go a lot further than the silent treatment.

I am sure that he tried. Didn't he take him out to dinner a few times?

So Phil's thinking. " Oh yeah I talked to that player at dinner a few weeks ago....... f'em."

I am sure that they tried very hard last year to get Melo to buy in and now they are quite frustrated.

Melo buying or not buying in wasn't what killed the season.

That maybe true but he still needs to buy in and he won't. This thread is based on conjecture and there's nothing to support either side. But based on the article about why he traded JR/Shump it shows clearly that his mindset is towards team oriented two way players which Melo is not. I thik its less about being at odds and more about Phil doing what Phil does. We finally have someone with a bigger ego and more credibility than Melo - so this year will definitely show some fireworks.

Team oriented yes, two-way players, I do not see the connection. Those two players had attitude problems that affected the players around them and it seems that THjr and Fisher did not connect.

The Melo buying in or not buying in is all conjecture. We do not know if he bought in or not.

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Don't believe there is ever a good reason for Phil not to acknowledge a player on the team. Nothing Zen about that.

Actually Phil does a lot of things like that for a reason. He's not a stupid man. He's one of those guys that is always playing mind games with people. It's annoying IMO but that's the kind of person Phil is. Phil often wants to keep people on their toes. Pat Riley isn't that much different. You'd be surprised how many people in leadership positions in sports are like that. Tex Winter used to push Phil's buttons on the bench during games. It's something that would tick him off but he also liked it.

Jackson is the president of the franchise not the coach. Its beneath someone of his stature to treat players like they dont exist. If Phil really wants to motivate a player who is underperforming (which we don't know was the case) stopping and giving a few words of encouragement to a player would go a lot further than the silent treatment.

I am sure that he tried. Didn't he take him out to dinner a few times?

So Phil's thinking. " Oh yeah I talked to that player at dinner a few weeks ago....... f'em."

I am sure that they tried very hard last year to get Melo to buy in and now they are quite frustrated.

Where is the report and or quotes that state Phil/Fish/Mills are frustrated with Melo?

I zenned my way into phils head and felt what he was thinking. Kind of wild sh1t going on in there.

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:There was an article I read recently that stated Mills is the main guy that deals with agents and players....It revealed that Melo would be in Mills office talking about potential draft picks and FA's. It also stated that Phil prefers to stay away from the players as much as he can to avoid stepping on Fish's toe, also, many times Phil walk right pass players at the Westchester facility without saying a word....

So, I believe its overblown a bit...I also feel like this topic is overblown and has been run into the ground a bit

I actually think that its very UNDER blown at it is much bigger than being reported.

based on? This is common for players not to talk to the team President. Ask Kobe. everyone isn't Lebron or Durant. I know Noah isn't a top 5 player but the Bulls president said he hasn't really seen him since the season was over. Noah went back to g'ville and was in LA.

did Kobe not have a big rift with Phil? If it was up to him, he would have been traded 50 times.

I am not talking about kobe and Phil. I am talking about Kobe and West/kupcheck, the relationship between player and President/GM.

I mean people over blow everything. After the draft it was did you see how phil wasn't exited about KP...

It's NY everything is over the top.

so you think that there is not much going on?

I haven't seen anything from either person. Phil didn't like him not having surgery sooner is not a big deal to me.

It just seems weird how almost everything contradicts itself when it comes to Melo and people.

Shump and Melo don't get along and he wants him gone yet they talk during the playoffs

Tyson dislikes melo but wants him on the Mavs.

Melo can't stand Hardaway but now that he is traded THjr was like his adopted son. He took THjr in after his father gave him another harsh scolding.

I was not talking about Melo and all those guys, of course crap will get reported.

I am talking about Phil. Phil hates stupid play and he hates insubordination from his stars. He hates when players refuse to accept a team concept.

Phil has gotta to be steaming.

Just my own opinion on what he is thinking ... heck if Nixluva and Harvey Araton can do it then so can I

Yet, Phil still signed him to a max contract! Hmmmmmm.....

If things go bad it won't be Melo going. It will be Phil Jackson and his 10 million and banned from MSG. Dolan has the last word and I don't think he is too happy with whats going on. Thats why he brought back Isaiah.