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7/19/2015  5:48 PM
I've been saying it for the longest that Mudiay doesn't fit what Phil Jackson is looking for in a point guard. Even when I was on realgm I was saying that the Knicks should target Jerian Grant or Delon Wright instead of Russell or Mudiay. Posters at realgm was saying that I didn't know what I was talking about when I suggested Jerian and it's funny how they changed their minds about him. Now Mudiay is throwing shade saying in retrospect he's glad the Knicks didn't select him because he doesn't think he would've fit in the triangle. Dude is a fake to me
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7/19/2015  5:54 PM
I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

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7/19/2015  5:58 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

the sixers would not have taken mudiay over KP.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/19/2015  6:04 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?
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7/19/2015  6:04 PM
From today's Berman article...

Nuggets rookie point guard Emmanuel Mudiay told confidants after the draft he was, in retrospect, happy the Knicks passed on him at No. 4, as he was unsure he would have been a good fit for the triangle. Despite public comments to the contrary that he felt team president Phil Jackson could “make me a star,’’ Mudiay said he felt he was a better match in a more freewheeling Denver offense, according to sources.

Mudiay was simply being smart/diplomatic and probably regurgitating something Phil or Fisher had said in the interviews when he said “(The Triangle) puts you in spots to be successful" after his visit/workout with the Knicks. He had no idea what the Knicks were going to do at that time. He said the right things, and has to be given credit for doing so. He was smart enough to not burn any bridges.

It is not impossible that Jackson heard something in the interview or saw things in the workout that made him move away from picking Mudiay, or perhaps the Knicks just determined that KP was the BPA. Tend to believe that it is a combination of the two.

How many "freewheeling" lead guards did Phil have when he was coaching, by the way?

Russell might actually have been a better choice in some ways for the Triangle, especially since his top of the key free styling did not exactly go well in SL.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/19/2015  6:45 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

you're talking gibberish-- as a gm the job is to build a team not just collect talent for talent's sake.

what he did was the same as a chimp in an art studio. grabs some paint and throws it up there. the "art" goes to a gallery and stupid people get bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing "welcome to the playoffs" and whatnot.

"best draft gm ever." ---------> gobbledygook

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/19/2015  7:05 PM
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”
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7/19/2015  7:08 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

take off the hater glasses. he said year one and in the post. next year is a development year where they'll win between 30-38 games and likely miss the playoffs or get annihilated in the first round like most melo-centric teams. and beyond year one?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/19/2015  7:15 PM
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

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7/19/2015  7:18 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

There is a difference between being soft and getting overpowered in the post by men as a 19 year old. You do realize that right?

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7/19/2015  7:27 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

take off the hater glasses. he said year one and in the post. next year is a development year where they'll win between 30-38 games and likely miss the playoffs or get annihilated in the first round like most melo-centric teams. and beyond year one?


No haters glasses..I'm rooting for him because it's in my own selfish interest to see my team win..But I will also keep it real..He is a physically weak individual..You saw the per 36 stats that compared him to other summer league players..Only thing was he played half the minutes compared to other players...You saw him exhausted just about the 18th to 20th min in games..Clyde said he was burnt out playing those 4 games..He just came off playing European pro ball and he still isn't strong enough to fully play summer league ball..What's going to happen in a 82 game season at NBA pace, 4 games in 5 nights pace??..Forget the hurdles of skills that needs to be developed..How long will it take to get him strong enough to keep up with a normal NBA pace?
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7/19/2015  7:29 PM
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

If you can find that quote, I'll appreciate it because I never said that..
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7/19/2015  7:33 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

take off the hater glasses. he said year one and in the post. next year is a development year where they'll win between 30-38 games and likely miss the playoffs or get annihilated in the first round like most melo-centric teams. and beyond year one?


No haters glasses..I'm rooting for him because it's in my own selfish interest to see my team win..But I will also keep it real..He is a physically weak individual..You saw the per 36 stats that compared him to other summer league players..Only thing was he played half the minutes compared to other players...You saw him exhausted just about the 18th to 20th min in games..Clyde said he was burnt out playing those 4 games..He just came off playing European pro ball and he still isn't strong enough to fully play summer league ball..What's going to happen in a 82 game season at NBA pace, 4 games in 5 nights pace??..Forget the hurdles of skills that needs to be developed..How long will it take to get him strong enough to keep up with a normal NBA pace?

i don't know how long it will take for him to build up the strength. all i know is he seems like a taller version of kirilenko, who was gangly but strong and used his length and instincts to be a great one on one and team defender.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/19/2015  7:34 PM
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

There is a difference between being soft and getting overpowered in the post by men as a 19 year old. You do realize that right?

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..
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7/19/2015  7:37 PM
holfresh wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

There is a difference between being soft and getting overpowered in the post by men as a 19 year old. You do realize that right?

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..

and he is physically weak because he is 19.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

There is a difference between being soft and getting overpowered in the post by men as a 19 year old. You do realize that right?

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..

and he is physically weak because he is 19.

The other 19 year olds in summer league are logging twice the minutes and aren't as physically drained at the end of games..
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holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

There is a difference between being soft and getting overpowered in the post by men as a 19 year old. You do realize that right?

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..

and he is physically weak because he is 19.

The other 19 year olds in summer league are logging twice the minutes and aren't as physically drained at the end of games..

they arent 7 3.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/19/2015  9:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2015  9:46 PM
holfresh wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I thought the goal was to get people here

1)want to be here
2)fit the system
3)selfless
4)high iQ
5)can handle ny and the media

I think someone said it earlier, drafting Mudiay would have been a sixers move, drafting talent, and not need and upside.

Where is it written or how do you know that Mudiay doesn't have upside?

Im confused. Aren't you saying KP has no upside?

If you can find that quote, I'll appreciate it because I never said that..

Ok

holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..


You also wrote

"This is not a casino where you are rewarded for the more risk you take..Phil taking a big risk doesn't mean the ceiling is that much higher.."


holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Mudaiy played well at times and others not so much. There were plenty of guys ahead of him--but looking through numbers--hes got a lot of talent AND he has a LONG way to go.

He showed greta promise physically but lets take a look at some of the numbers vs his original scouting report.

Reports cant shoot well--shooting % 38 3 pt% .14
Turnover prone 4 game s AVERAGE was the highest in SL at 5 a game
Not a great FT shooter 50%

So when you walk out of SL the reason why he was bypassed by some just like Winslow did not change. He has some cracks that will need to be addressed and they wont be fixed for some time. That doesnt mean he cant be a great player one day--but reinforces why we may have bypassed him.

I like our chances in what will develop into a 7-3 skill center Take away the 3 point shot and he made more than 60% of his attempts played good D and showed overall quality skills.

The three point shot is why you drafted him..He isn't going to turn into a low post player..Dude is pulling down like 3 boards a game..U think that's going to change against real men?

That's 3 in 4 pages of one thread.

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mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:They're both talented but Jackson has an anti-Isaiah Thomas way of doing things. Maybe you need to take a break from the Knicks and follow the liberty....

Isiah drafted well..ESPN said he was the best draft GM ever..They have stats to prove it..His average pick were from the 21st position but his picks resulted as if he drafted from 6th..So if that's what you are talking about the outlook isn't good..

I've been saying that for years, but most Knick fans don't give Isiah his drafting credit. That should've been his initial position, not GM / coach out the gate.

But what if we knew the future and found out we are arguing over two guys (Mudiay vs KP) who will both become NBA All Stars.....Mudiay is ahead of KP now, but KP has enough passion for the game that he will not stop until he reaches his potential, starting with remove the soft label. Achieving that goal alone is all KP needs to be mentioned amoungst the NBA greats. Mudiay on the other hand have multiple things he needs to address before reaching his potential (TO's, IQ, FT, 3pt, Jumper, etc).

who other than holfresh thinks that kp is soft? stephen a. smith? chris broussard? all the melo azzlickers?


I'm not the only one..

Fraschilla thinks Porzingis can have success in the post in Year 1 -- with a caveat.

“[He's] not going to be effective against the best post defenders in the league,” Fraschilla says. “He’ll be able to post up second-unit guys because of his size. You put a 6-9 power forward on him, because he’s going to be a stretch 4, and he can post those guys up and score over them. But he’s going to be mauled by the Z-Bos [Zach Randolph] of the world.”

There is a difference between being soft and getting overpowered in the post by men as a 19 year old. You do realize that right?

He isn't getting overpowered because he is 19, he is being overpowered because he is physically weak..

and he is physically weak because he is 19.

The other 19 year olds in summer league are logging twice the minutes and aren't as physically drained at the end of games..

they arent 7 3.

He's also coming off a recent injury and probably on a minutes limit. Holfresh knows this.
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