BigSm00th wrote:

dk7th wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:Thanasis and Travis Wear are both on the outside looking in, in my opinion. i'd rather keep Thanasis over Wear and plant him in the D League again for another season. i see no reason at all to keep Wear, the guy brings nothing to the table.

also, our overseas assets are Hernangomez and Labeyrie. presumably Hernangomez comes over next season.

I like Wear, and actually thinks he brings some positive things to the table, but if there was one guy returning from last year who had to make a statement in SL, it was Wear, and I saw no significant changes to his game.

If he could shoot from deep the way Novak could a few years ago, or if he had improved his ability to get to the basket and finish or be fouled, he might have a chance, but he really needed to come to SL with a more polished game, or at least one major improvement- especially on the offensive end... and I did not see this.

i thought he looked much better in real nba games last season, so maybe it's a question of context? he did not look good in summer league that is for sure.

and just from an upside perspective, he'll be 25 when the season starts, he's not overly athletic, he doesn't shoot the lights out. if we are talking about filling the last one or two roster spots with a guy who could develop into something, i'd rather roll the dice on Thanasis and Ndour - both are 23 next season, so two years younger, both way more athletic, and Ndour has flashed more diverse skills on both sides of the ball.

I agree with the last post. Keep high upside defenders, say bye to Wear. I also think Early is on very thin ice - only thing keeping him around is Phil drafted him and $845k guaranteed deal.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:assuming they keep Galloway and Ledo, and then they sign Ndour and Thanasis to round out the roster, we'd be looking at the following depth chart:

PG: Calderon, Grant, Galloway
SG: Afflalo, Ledo
SF: Anthony, Thomas, Early, Antetokounmpo
PF: Porzingis, Williams, Amundson, Ndour
C: Lopez, O'Quinn

i'd be entirely happy with that team. i'd send Ledo, Thanasis, and Mo straight to the D League with specific things to work on. that would give us 9 players who were 25 and under and in the NBA or D League, with Hernangomez and Labeyrie overseas being 10 and 11.

Thanasis would go overseas, I would think, unless another team likes him and we make a trade.

Galloway will be back...I think they will try to pick someone up and Ledo and this person will compete.

Still not sure about Thanasis. I would love for him to figure things out, because of his athletic ability and desire- just don't know, though.

I was down on Thumpo the whole SL until that last game when he showed what he can do when he has his game going. He does everything on defense that's needed and his shot blocking is under rated especially when he's coming from behind to block the shot. His athleticism is ridiculous. Even though i'd say he's not ready i would love to see what he can do after getting some games in and getting used to what's around him. Maybe he just needed to get comfortable out there and that's why he was so much better in that last game??

BigSm00th wrote:

dk7th wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:Thanasis and Travis Wear are both on the outside looking in, in my opinion. i'd rather keep Thanasis over Wear and plant him in the D League again for another season. i see no reason at all to keep Wear, the guy brings nothing to the table.

also, our overseas assets are Hernangomez and Labeyrie. presumably Hernangomez comes over next season.

I like Wear, and actually thinks he brings some positive things to the table, but if there was one guy returning from last year who had to make a statement in SL, it was Wear, and I saw no significant changes to his game.

If he could shoot from deep the way Novak could a few years ago, or if he had improved his ability to get to the basket and finish or be fouled, he might have a chance, but he really needed to come to SL with a more polished game, or at least one major improvement- especially on the offensive end... and I did not see this.

i thought he looked much better in real nba games last season, so maybe it's a question of context? he did not look good in summer league that is for sure.

and just from an upside perspective, he'll be 25 when the season starts, he's not overly athletic, he doesn't shoot the lights out. if we are talking about filling the last one or two roster spots with a guy who could develop into something, i'd rather roll the dice on Thanasis and Ndour - both are 23 next season, so two years younger, both way more athletic, and Ndour has flashed more diverse skills on both sides of the ball.

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think Phil is gonna be patient with the last 2 spots and IMO that's fine. There's no reason to feel the need to rush to fill the last 2 spots. I mean it's 14 and 15 we're talking about here. This team is going to win or lose based on the top rotation players.

We are still short of a proper back UP Sg.

definitely agree here. but all 3 of the 1's can slide over to the 2 if need be.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It's a strange line up. It will consist of older slower players in unit 1. We need Grant to score 12-14 and shoot over 43% for what we could've had. Also hope Ledo can step up and make the team he didn't make it from sl play

I have to wonder if drafting Andersen and Powell would've addressed more pressing issues. Andersen looks like he could start 3 with melo at 4. Powell was the best looking 2 way guard in the draft

Ohhhh my goodness will you leave the J.Anderson and Powell and all the other players that you wanted the Knicks to draft (and there were MANY of them) alone now?? Many of us liked other players in the draft with J.Anderson being a popular one but the draft is over now and MANY of the guys you wanted the Knicks to get didn't even get drafted at all. We now have KP, J.Grant and Hermangomez as our picks and i'm pretty sure most if not all are happy with who Phil drafted.

Thank you. Briggs picks at least 100 players every draft season. He will have 300 guys in his top 10 and will conveniently only remember/discuss the ones who played well the last week or so.

It is beyond ridiculous but I still enjoy Briggs because he loves the Knicks and is truly fanatical in his draft research. Just wish he would be realistic on occasion.

RonRon wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think Phil is gonna be patient with the last 2 spots and IMO that's fine. There's no reason to feel the need to rush to fill the last 2 spots. I mean it's 14 and 15 we're talking about here. This team is going to win or lose based on the top rotation players.

we still have 2-4 roster spots left *basically non guaranteed with Early/Ledo*

Actually he signed the 14th and 15th men already but payed a premium for their hard work, work ethic, strong culture change, experience in the league, all the years 1/2 year of experience in the Triangle, and veteran leadership

He felt the need to pick them up quickly before the D League would put claims for their services, where they truly belong

That is Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas

N Dour >>> Lance Thomas

We may have found a solid young player to develop, we likely would have signed him if we didn't use the money on the 14th and 15th man first
There was NO NEED to rush to sign Amundson or Thomas

If we actually had a STRONG 10-12 man roster like GS did last year, I could understand...
AB signs a 2year vet min with BKLYN cause he wanted to stay in New York while Lou Amundson gets payed more than him and reached a deal before AB

Amundson makes 200k more than the vet min but it costs us 1.6m in salary cap vs vet min
Add in Lance Thomas's contract and that is 3m in cap space in addition to 2.8m room exemption to use to target actual talents

Also in order to have more salary next year, would rather pay the players we signed more this year than give it to Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas with less money to spend next year
They should be glad they got a guaranteed contract, especially Lou Amundson who normally stays on the D League till 10day contracts are available
They are not even experienced vets that have been running and executing the Triangle like Ron Harper, Horace Grant, etc....

Come on even Cole Aldrich was better than both of them
Shved was offered the vet min and nothing more

Of course Shved should be pissed
Of course CA should be pissed, taking a pay cut so they could use that money to sign Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson instead of just giving them a vet min, 3m in cap space...

GS fully utilized all 15 guys of their roster to keep their ROSTER ready and fresh for the play offs
All from a "rookie" Head Coach

Good post , i agree , why the hell were we in a rush to sign Lou and Lance ? MAYBE you sign one of them but not both. We NEED a scorer of the bench like Nate Robinson or Ben Gordon. I wouldn't mind a Novak return either.

callmened wrote:any chance we just leave one roster spot open?

RonRon wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think Phil is gonna be patient with the last 2 spots and IMO that's fine. There's no reason to feel the need to rush to fill the last 2 spots. I mean it's 14 and 15 we're talking about here. This team is going to win or lose based on the top rotation players.

we still have 2-4 roster spots left *basically non guaranteed with Early/Ledo*

Actually he signed the 14th and 15th men already but payed a premium for their hard work, work ethic, strong culture change, experience in the league, all the years 1/2 year of experience in the Triangle, and veteran leadership

He felt the need to pick them up quickly before the D League would put claims for their services, where they truly belong

That is Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas

N Dour >>> Lance Thomas

We may have found a solid young player to develop, we likely would have signed him if we didn't use the money on the 14th and 15th man first
There was NO NEED to rush to sign Amundson or Thomas

If we actually had a STRONG 10-12 man roster like GS did last year, I could understand...
AB signs a 2year vet min with BKLYN cause he wanted to stay in New York while Lou Amundson gets payed more than him and reached a deal before AB

Amundson makes 200k more than the vet min but it costs us 1.6m in salary cap vs vet min
Add in Lance Thomas's contract and that is 3m in cap space in addition to 2.8m room exemption to use to target actual talents

Also in order to have more salary next year, would rather pay the players we signed more this year than give it to Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas with less money to spend next year
They should be glad they got a guaranteed contract, especially Lou Amundson who normally stays on the D League till 10day contracts are available
They are not even experienced vets that have been running and executing the Triangle like Ron Harper, Horace Grant, etc....

Come on even Cole Aldrich was better than both of them
Shved was offered the vet min and nothing more

Of course Shved should be pissed
Of course CA should be pissed, taking a pay cut so they could use that money to sign Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson instead of just giving them a vet min, 3m in cap space...

GS fully utilized all 15 guys of their roster to keep their ROSTER ready and fresh for the play offs
All from a "rookie" Head Coach

Steph Curry     7th 2009
Klay Thompson   11th 2011
Harrison Barnes 7th 2012
Draymond Green  35th 2012
Festus Ezeli    30th 2012

Thus we're at stage 1 and GS just came off a World Championship. From reading all your recent posts it's clear to me that you don't value what is being done with this roster. That's fine but it's so early in the process. This is Phil's 2nd draft and 1st meaningful Free Agency. He has to take this in stages.

So let's give this a chance to actually play out. We have two 1st round picks this year who we hope will be the core of our future. We have to allow them to develop along with the rest of the young players on the team as well. You never know what you have until you give your draft picks and young prospects time to fully develop.