BigSm00th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

it wouldn't surprise me if both Grant and KP started for the Knicks this season. Calderon is better coming off the bench as a 6th man and KP's our best option at the 4.

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

I liked Mudiay also, and as it was mentioned above based on the vastly limited info I had (and you had and HAVE holfresh as well) I would have taken Mudiay also. That being said I could not be happier with this draft. Could Turner or Mudiay end up better than our guys? Sure. Could our guys end up better than Turner and Mudiay? Absolutely.

Are the Knick picks playing poorly? Do they look outclassed? No.. opposite. So this certainly has the feel of another Phil sucks, I miss Isiah grumpy holfresh post. Am I wrong?

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

Lets see how I can be grumpy about the Knicks and how much I hate Phil today... hmmm.... oh! I know! Lets say after 4 summer league games that Phil screwed up the draft, pump Denver's player and say ours wont be starters.

I liked Mudiay also, and as it was mentioned above based on the vastly limited info I had (and you had and HAVE holfresh as well) I would have taken Mudiay also. That being said I could not be happier with this draft. Could Turner or Mudiay end up better than our guys? Sure. Could our guys end up better than Turner and Mudiay? Absolutely.

Are the Knick picks playing poorly? Do they look outclassed? No.. opposite. So this certainly has the feel of another Phil sucks, I miss Isiah grumpy holfresh post. Am I wrong?

holfresh wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:Mudiay is certainly a nice prospect and I would have liked that pick. Knowing what we know about Porzingis now, though, I don't see how you pass him up. I disagree with your statement "We needed a PG and an NBA ready player" - why did we need that? reality check - this team isn't going to win the NBA finals any time soon.

the Knicks needed the highest upside and to swing for the fences, and a 7'3 athlete who already has a picture-perfect jumper was the highest upside at pick 4 and arguably in the entire draft.

The reason you wanted an NBA ready player is that Melo is in his prime..Mudiay, Melo and the FA pieces added are a playoff team..

Think beyond Melo for once. Melo + Mudiay + say Robin Lopez makes the playoffs at say 42-40 as a 6th seed....SO WHAT!

You gotta look at the big picture. Porzingas and Grant if they pan out can make the Knicks competitive for years to come. Melo is 31 and just had major knee surgery, his window is closing fast, and no one in FA is coming to play with him no matter what anybody here thinks. Not Lamarcus, not Love, not Monroe, not Deandre...none of the above wanted to be here.

Time to "win from within" meaning work with our homegrown picks and establish a future with some continuity.

Forget Melo's time and prime, it's past already. Don't be so short sighted, separate yourself from the name on the jersey and root for the jersey instead...

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

Lets see how I can be grumpy about the Knicks and how much I hate Phil today... hmmm.... oh! I know! Lets say after 4 summer league games that Phil screwed up the draft, pump Denver's player and say ours wont be starters.

I liked Mudiay also, and as it was mentioned above based on the vastly limited info I had (and you had and HAVE holfresh as well) I would have taken Mudiay also. That being said I could not be happier with this draft. Could Turner or Mudiay end up better than our guys? Sure. Could our guys end up better than Turner and Mudiay? Absolutely.

Are the Knick picks playing poorly? Do they look outclassed? No.. opposite. So this certainly has the feel of another Phil sucks, I miss Isiah grumpy holfresh post. Am I wrong?

Instead of instinctly running to Phil's defense, let's just talk hoops and skilled players..You are right, what I saw of Mudiay was limited..I do however wish I had the Knicks billion dollar budget to get the info and spend time in China assessing this kids skill..I might be then be able to make a better informed decision..

But let's just talk basketball skills..Given what you have seen of Mudiay in Dummer League, who do you compare him to skill wise?

Poor man's John Wall.

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

With as much holes the Knicks had, the addition of Grant in the Hardaway solidified the 2 selections as plugging gaping holes in both the frontcourt and the backcourt for years to come. Mudiay as nice as it would've been, can't play Power Forward also.

It was the right move. 2 positions when we needed many, was a coup. This is bigger than starting on opening night, this about the long term future for the Knicks beyond Melo.

Don't be so butthurt over it.

Mudiay is a franchise player..Mudiay could potentially be better than Melo..This isn't about Melo, it's about finding the next franchise player for the Knicks..And let's talk basketball and your view on player skill..No need for the immature name calling..U have a kid now rite?

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

Lets see how I can be grumpy about the Knicks and how much I hate Phil today... hmmm.... oh! I know! Lets say after 4 summer league games that Phil screwed up the draft, pump Denver's player and say ours wont be starters.

I liked Mudiay also, and as it was mentioned above based on the vastly limited info I had (and you had and HAVE holfresh as well) I would have taken Mudiay also. That being said I could not be happier with this draft. Could Turner or Mudiay end up better than our guys? Sure. Could our guys end up better than Turner and Mudiay? Absolutely.

Are the Knick picks playing poorly? Do they look outclassed? No.. opposite. So this certainly has the feel of another Phil sucks, I miss Isiah grumpy holfresh post. Am I wrong?

Instead of instinctly running to Phil's defense, let's just talk hoops and skilled players..You are right, what I saw of Mudiay was limited..I do however wish I had the Knicks billion dollar budget to get the info and spend time in China assessing this kids skill..I might be then be able to make a better informed decision..

But let's just talk basketball skills..Given what you have seen of Mudiay in Dummer League, who do you compare him to skill wise?

Poor man's John Wall.

No..I think he is better than John Wall..

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:Mudiay is certainly a nice prospect and I would have liked that pick. Knowing what we know about Porzingis now, though, I don't see how you pass him up. I disagree with your statement "We needed a PG and an NBA ready player" - why did we need that? reality check - this team isn't going to win the NBA finals any time soon.

the Knicks needed the highest upside and to swing for the fences, and a 7'3 athlete who already has a picture-perfect jumper was the highest upside at pick 4 and arguably in the entire draft.

The reason you wanted an NBA ready player is that Melo is in his prime..Mudiay, Melo and the FA pieces added are a playoff team..

Think beyond Melo for once. Melo + Mudiay + say Robin Lopez makes the playoffs at say 42-40 as a 6th seed....SO WHAT!

You gotta look at the big picture. Porzingas and Grant if they pan out can make the Knicks competitive for years to come. Melo is 31 and just had major knee surgery, his window is closing fast, and no one in FA is coming to play with him no matter what anybody here thinks. Not Lamarcus, not Love, not Monroe, not Deandre...none of the above wanted to be here.

Time to "win from within" meaning work with our homegrown picks and establish a future with some continuity.

Forget Melo's time and prime, it's past already. Don't be so short sighted, separate yourself from the name on the jersey and root for the jersey instead...

Picking Mudiay is just like picking KP..Mudiay is the future and a franchise type player right now..Mudiay can potentially be better than Melo..This is not about Melo..Melo and Mudiay is a playoff team..

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:KP + Grant > Mudiay

He is how u know that's BS...Denver will be Mudiay's team day one..KP and Grant won't start..

With as much holes the Knicks had, the addition of Grant in the Hardaway solidified the 2 selections as plugging gaping holes in both the frontcourt and the backcourt for years to come. Mudiay as nice as it would've been, can't play Power Forward also.

It was the right move. 2 positions when we needed many, was a coup. This is bigger than starting on opening night, this about the long term future for the Knicks beyond Melo.

Don't be so butthurt over it.

Mudiay is a franchise player..Mudiay could potentially be better than Melo..This isn't about Melo, it's about finding the next franchise player for the Knicks..And let's talk basketball and your view on player skill..No need for the immature name calling..U have a kid now rite?

Yup I do. Baby girl, 4 months.

Sorry if I come across as frank sometimes, I'm trying to be as level headed as possible but also getting my point across at the same time.

Mudiay > Melo is debatable. If he ever develops a jumper, then yes he can exceed Melo because he puts up numbers across the board.

No team won't honestly know what their draft picks are until a couple years, not even Towns, Russell, Okafor or Mudiay.

If KP + Grant crack the starting lineup at some point this season, it would be greater than having just Mudiay in the backcourt.

Say Mudiay = 2 points and say KP and Grant are equal to 1.5 points each.

1.5 + 1.5 = 3.0 > 2.0 points. 2 really good players is still better than 1 great player at 1 position. Golden State proved this and so did San Antonio.

If you think Mudiay can potentially be better than Melo then he is a no brainer pick at 4..That's my point..This is not about Melo..