SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:We paid Afflalo, so he's logging 30mpg + at SG and some SF in small line ups.

After that you have Jose, Galloway, Grant, Ledo at guard.

So do you just give Shved the $2.8 and let the guards fight for the remaining minutes? Does he have a role here? Keep in mind he was a very bad NBA player before 15 great games with the Knicks.

I liked what I saw from him, very limited sample size. Not sure what the front office thought process is on this guy

the Knicks need another guy that can score. If you start Melo and Afflalo, who is going to be the go-to guy on the second team?

Maybe they think Calderon can score?

I thought Alexey did well in the limited time he had. He seems smart, maybe his shooting improves. He sure is worth $2.8M if Lance & Lou just got $1.4M.

Personally, I'd be inclined to dump Jose - trade or stretch if I need room/roster/cap, give Alexy the $2.8m for 1 year and then see what we've got in the back court at the end of the season.

With Calderon healthy and Galloway and Grant and Afflalo... it's hard to envision him getting a ton of playing time. But he was also very good and could be a bargain and could be a guy who winds up playing more than Calderon.

I'd like to have him back, but it'd be nice to have that room exception to offer a guy who might get waived or cut mid-season or something.

crzymdups wrote:
I'd like to have him back, but it'd be nice to have that room exception to offer a guy who might get waived or cut mid-season or something.

I'm with you. I thought Shved played about as well as we could have hoped after the trade. If Phil really wanted him back, I'm sure the contract would already be signed by now. 2.8M doesn't seem unreasonable to me, but keeping something for the waiver wire is enticing.

In general, the guys Phil brought in this summer all seem eager to put on a Knicks uniform, not just cash a check from Dolan. Have to wonder if NY was ever plan A for Shved or if it's just another job.

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Interestingly enough, 29 other teams also are unwilling to pay him more than the Knicks. Funny, his footage is available to all NBA GMs. Ultimatums rarely work in situations like this. He probably won't be playing in the NBA next season. Being that he is in his late 20's and in his prime it might be smart to not play hard ball. Decent player, but what kind of GM would Jackson be if he allows a journeyman to twist him arm publicly and cave in? No GM wants to be publicly given an ultimatum. Especially not by a player who has had no impact on the NBA. If it's about winning now, perhaps he should take the identical offer the Knicks offered but with a winner. Perhaps no winning team has reached out to him at all. If it's about the money, Euro ball is always available. If not, I'm sure the Knicks offer stands.

YupYup...

Jayson Smith and Cole both benefitted from playing some decent ball last year- they got offers from other teams.

Shved played well, yet, as you say, he does not seem to have gotten any significant offers from anyone in the NBA.

Maybe Phil and Fisher are waiting to see how Grant progresses in SL before turning to Shved. They are also auditioning other large guards at the same time. Maybe they want to see if anyone decent is released because of cap issues, or perhaps they have their eyes on some other unsigned SL player we have not yet heard about.

Shved is using the only leverage he seems to have at this point-the Euro league, and maybe he and his agent realize that the better Grant looks in SL, the less chance there is for him to get the room exception.

Contract poker...got to love it.

S.Mills during the game last night said that they're saving the room exception to see if someone slips through the cracks. I think Shved is worth the shot of giving him the 2.8 and see what he can do coming off the bench with better players around him. Phil said last night that they're looking for a backup center so maybe the 2.8 is gonna be used there. I think Phil has his eyes on a couple players that he'd rather use the 2.8 on over Shved but those players are probably holding out as long as they can trying to get the best offer possible so maybe once those players come off the board then maybe Shved will get it offered to him if he wants to wait around for that. This is obviously just my opinion but seems pretty reasonable to me. I've heard the Knicks are talking to players like C.Boozer and K.Seraphin which I wouldn't mind either so hopefully Shved will wait another week or two to see what Phil does with it cause i'd like him back and really think what he brings to the team fits the triangle really well.

Shved might have more value to the offense the way we seem to be playing in SL, since his forte is his penetration and dishing. He is still a very sporadic outside shooter with a so so midrange game, and although creative on the drive he misses more shots than a guy with his size should miss.

Finestrg wrote:

fishmike wrote:We paid Afflalo, so he's logging 30mpg + at SG and some SF in small line ups.

After that you have Jose, Galloway, Grant, Ledo at guard.

So do you just give Shved the $2.8 and let the guards fight for the remaining minutes? Does he have a role here? Keep in mind he was a very bad NBA player before 15 great games with the Knicks.

I liked what I saw from him, very limited sample size. Not sure what the front office thought process is on this guy

I can't pencil in Calderon as an important part of the backcourt, not after what we saw last year. Even when healthy, he had his flaws/showed limitation and now he's a yr older. Galloway's not a PG. Not that great a player anyway (similar to Toney Douglas--that's pretty much all we're looking at here)--and he's showing that in SL. Grant's a rookie and although I like him a lot, there will be growing pains. Ledo can handle a little bit but he's more of a 2 and Afflalo's strictly a 2G, coming off a disappointing year. Those are the facts. I think we're in desperate need of at least one more lead guard. Two probably would be ideal but we definitely need one more. Not sure why we're fooling around--Shved should be signed.

Think about this

In phills coaching career, has he ever had an above avg pg? Are you telling me that j grant, and calderone can't function like

tyron lue
steve kerr
ron harper
steve blake
bj armstong
jordan farmer
paxon

the only thing these guys have in common, they all were above avg 3 point shooters, which calderon is. The purpose of grant is to speed up the tempo

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

fishmike wrote:We paid Afflalo, so he's logging 30mpg + at SG and some SF in small line ups.

After that you have Jose, Galloway, Grant, Ledo at guard.

So do you just give Shved the $2.8 and let the guards fight for the remaining minutes? Does he have a role here? Keep in mind he was a very bad NBA player before 15 great games with the Knicks.

I liked what I saw from him, very limited sample size. Not sure what the front office thought process is on this guy

I can't pencil in Calderon as an important part of the backcourt, not after what we saw last year. Even when healthy, he had his flaws/showed limitation and now he's a yr older. Galloway's not a PG. Not that great a player anyway (similar to Toney Douglas--that's pretty much all we're looking at here)--and he's showing that in SL. Grant's a rookie and although I like him a lot, there will be growing pains. Ledo can handle a little bit but he's more of a 2 and Afflalo's strictly a 2G, coming off a disappointing year. Those are the facts. I think we're in desperate need of at least one more lead guard. Two probably would be ideal but we definitely need one more. Not sure why we're fooling around--Shved should be signed.

Think about this

In phills coaching career, has he ever had an above avg pg? Are you telling me that j grant, and calderone can't function like

tyron lue
steve kerr
ron harper
steve blake
bj armstong
jordan farmer
paxon

the only thing these guys have in common, they all were above avg 3 point shooters, which calderon is. The purpose of grant is to speed up the tempo

He never needed an above average PG because MJ and Kobe (like Lebron) were essentially PG's.

dude you can never in your life mistake jordan and kobe for being facilitators, yes they can pass and avg about 5 assist, but there pg duties were super limited because they took about 30 shots pg