BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

Exactly right. Bottom line is the development of this franchise is solely based on KP. He represents the next potential star here. It's all on his development where we go in the next 5 years.

holfresh wrote:

thetruth wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...

If this was the case, why isn't anyone else running it? We all fail to answer this question. Or we already have but don't want to admit that the Knicks have the one guy who thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I don't blame him, I really do believe his ego is such that he feels the Triangle was more of a factor than Jordan, Shaq or Kobe.

We are a league of copy cats..The entire league is now running pick and rolls and shooting threes..LeBron and Moz post play almost took down the best three point shooting team in the NBA...Everyone doesn't have to do it to validate it..The masses are usually arses...

Let's not forget the high level defense that GS played. Everything was contested, while on the offensive side, GS moved the ball to the open man. Their 3 point shots went uncontested.

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

I would have tried to get back at least one or starters when I got rid of Chandler, Felton, Amare, Shump, JR, and Prigs..It presents a better case for free agents..No one of value will consider at 17 win team with one NBA caliber starter...

Of this whole list of players, the only one that was worth pursuing might have been Shumpert, with his inconsistent ass game. Amar'e is one sharp turn from falling apart. Prigs was a favorite, but has little thread wear on the tires. JR was a BUM, Felton fell apart and Chandler was always sick/hurt/disgruntled. Let's start from where we are at, instead of living in revisionist history.

Sangfroid wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

I would have tried to get back at least one or starters when I got rid of Chandler, Felton, Amare, Shump, JR, and Prigs..It presents a better case for free agents..No one of value will consider at 17 win team with one NBA caliber starter...

Of this whole list of players, the only one that was worth pursuing might have been Shumpert, with his inconsistent ass game. Amar'e is one sharp turn from falling apart. Prigs was a favorite, but has little thread wear on the tires. JR was a BUM, Felton fell apart and Chandler was always sick/hurt/disgruntled. Let's start from where we are at, instead of living in revisionist history.

Not true..Cleveland would have paid a fortune for Chandler if he was still on the Knicks..They gave up two first round picks for Moz..Chandler just got 52 mil from PHX..

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

I would have tried to get back at least one or starters when I got rid of Chandler, Felton, Amare, Shump, JR, and Prigs..It presents a better case for free agents..No one of value will consider at 17 win team with one NBA caliber starter...

So you want a third rate vet for our third rate vet? And then it eats cap as well sorry try again.

H1AND1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

thetruth wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't think Phil's approach is a bad thing..I think the triangle would be great if Phil was coaching it...I think Phil can be successful in today's game and is still very relevant, again, if he is coaching..But he has to let Fisher put forth his own vision in which he believes...The players has to see the passion in which the teacher is presenting his ideas and views for them to believe and buy in..I'm not there and I won't say that Fisher doesn't have the passion...I just think it something basic when a team is trying to create a foundation and compete at a level that eventually leads to a winning culture...

If this was the case, why isn't anyone else running it? We all fail to answer this question. Or we already have but don't want to admit that the Knicks have the one guy who thinks the rest of the world is crazy. I don't blame him, I really do believe his ego is such that he feels the Triangle was more of a factor than Jordan, Shaq or Kobe.

We are a league of copy cats..The entire league is now running pick and rolls and shooting threes..LeBron and Moz post play almost took down the best three point shooting team in the NBA...Everyone doesn't have to do it to validate it..The masses are usually arses...

Almost?

Lebron himself took over a game or two, which is more a testament to how freaking good his is than validating the value of post play.

Which is also true..One being true doesn't invalidate the other..Moz isn't a great post player by any means yet he gave GS fits inside...A center with post moves could have changed the outcome is the point...

thetruth wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Great. We really didn't have enough chicken little threads one game into summer league.

Chicken little may be better for you than the fantasy your in now. Phil just spent all this money based on an ego that thinks he can win games based on his system and diamonds in the rough instead of proven players. We both know what the truth is. Unlike you, I am tired of all those who have been blind to see it for the last 15 years. But your right, lets talk in March and see how Knicks did.

And chicken little suits you fine. The sky's been falling for 15 years <--- this is your truth.
We have a real, live basketball legend running the show for less than two years. <--- this is reality, not fantasy.
Full tear down and rebuild, featuring many yoots now in place.
No throwing away of 1st round draft picks for this year's rudy gay or last year's Jamal Crawford.

Chicken little prefers the knee jerk signings of the past regimes, apparently.

holfresh wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

I would have tried to get back at least one or starters when I got rid of Chandler, Felton, Amare, Shump, JR, and Prigs..It presents a better case for free agents..No one of value will consider at 17 win team with one NBA caliber starter...

Of this whole list of players, the only one that was worth pursuing might have been Shumpert, with his inconsistent ass game. Amar'e is one sharp turn from falling apart. Prigs was a favorite, but has little thread wear on the tires. JR was a BUM, Felton fell apart and Chandler was always sick/hurt/disgruntled. Let's start from where we are at, instead of living in revisionist history.

Not true..Cleveland would have paid a fortune for Chandler if he was still on the Knicks..They gave up two first round picks for Moz..Chandler just got 52 mil from PHX..

There may have been another dynamic involved in getting rid of Chandler, too- team chemistry type stuff- but who knows.

Blatt had a history with Mosgov, by the way- coached him, I think, and he cost a lot less and they have him for another year. Do you have any proof that they would have taken Chandler over Mosgov other than a personal opinion?

With Chandler on the team there would have been no tank run. We had a realistic chance for a top 2 pick for most of the year. The Cav's picks are basically glorified #2 picks, to be honest.

If we had finished with the #2, where we should have finished, Phil would have probably taken OK4...

...Would you have been happy with him and Grant, or would you rather have had us get the 13th or 14th pick and end up wit Lyles/Grant and a couple of 29th picks in the future?

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I base the franchise on the development of KristapS P. I know we can't beat some teams in the east right now. I think Phil did the best he could. It's very easy to say lets get deandre Jordan when he wasn't coming here. So of you break Phil's cahones let me in on what you would be done different

I would have tried to get back at least one or starters when I got rid of Chandler, Felton, Amare, Shump, JR, and Prigs..It presents a better case for free agents..No one of value will consider at 17 win team with one NBA caliber starter...

Of this whole list of players, the only one that was worth pursuing might have been Shumpert, with his inconsistent ass game. Amar'e is one sharp turn from falling apart. Prigs was a favorite, but has little thread wear on the tires. JR was a BUM, Felton fell apart and Chandler was always sick/hurt/disgruntled. Let's start from where we are at, instead of living in revisionist history.

Not true..Cleveland would have paid a fortune for Chandler if he was still on the Knicks..They gave up two first round picks for Moz..Chandler just got 52 mil from PHX..

None of us really know what they would have given up for Chandler...do we.

There may have been another dynamic involved in getting rid of Chandler, too- team chemistry type stuff- but who knows.

Blatt had a history with Mosgov, by the way- coached him, I think, and he cost a lot less and they have him for another year. Do you have any proof that they would have taken Chandler over Mosgov other than a personal opinion?

With Chandler on the team there would have been no tank run. We had a realistic chance for a top 2 pick for most of the year. The Cav's picks are basically glorified #2 picks, to be honest.

If we had finished with the #2, where we should have finished, Phil would have probably taken OK4...

...Would you have been happy with him and Grant, or would you rather have had us get the 13th or 14th pick and end up wit Lyles/Grant and a couple of 29th picks in the future?

thetruth wrote:Amazing that the Knicks picked a 70's mentality GM who may have not won a tittle if not for some of the best players to play the game. The new NBA is not made up of 5 hard working guys who are trying really hard to play team ball. In case you haven't noticed, the last several NBA champions have had at least three superstars/All Stars on the team. When was the last champions to have one star player and 4 role players on the team? We saw how well Lebron did without anyone next to him in the finals. Furthermore, the idea that the antiquated Triangle will win is ridiculous. If you have Jordan Pippen and Grant, Kukoc running it with lethal 3pt shooters, yes. Why is it that 99% of the league run pick and roll offenses? Why is it the Knicks have the most trouble defending pick and roll offenses. Your telling me you would rather have guys like Galloway, Admnundson, Thomas get a touch every time instead of exploiting an obvious match up weakness? And yes,I know everyone over 40 is going to say how boring it is. Well then, time to take out the old Harvard videos and watch some exciting basketball. But if you want a championship, it wont happen letting role players touch the ball on consistent basis. That's just the truth.

Think last year was a bad example as Knicks ran a straight forward Triangle with not much deviation. Probably due to the level of talent. This year there seems to have added a few more ways to get into it. Although it would have been nice to see KP isolated a bit more as he can take bigger centers off the drible. However, we did win first three so I guess you can't argue with it.