BRIGGS wrote:I have to wonder if some over reliance on their size able teammates might've been an actual dentriment? Trey lyles who I think some here liked even some of the Knicks decision makers who had some say has been brutal. Hasn't rebounded played poor d hasn't shot well can't hit fts. On the other hands guys who were the man so to speak have played well like Portis The best players from Kentucky have easily been the Harrison's

You guys do realize that this is the summer league and these kids are just starting their careers right?? I mean some of you are already predicting how these KIDS will be in the summer league.....the summer league,,,,,it's the summer league and if you haven't heard yet.......it's the summer league. lol

WaltLongmire wrote:

tj23 wrote:Lyles was never a good rebounder/defender. When he guarded 3's he was too slow, got pushed around by bigs and would nod off all the time.

2/10 from the field...0/3 from the 3...4/11 from the FT line...

Is he really this bad of a shooter??

It's one game

StarksEwing1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

tj23 wrote:Lyles was never a good rebounder/defender. When he guarded 3's he was too slow, got pushed around by bigs and would nod off all the time.

2/10 from the field...0/3 from the 3...4/11 from the FT line...

Is he really this bad of a shooter??

just one game. Im sure nerves are a factor. Plus its just summer league. Im not ready to claim anything on any of the top draft picks until we get into the season

voice of reason

i try. i wasnt a fan of lyles anyway but the kid just started so any kind of judgment is premature.

No premature judgement...completely understand, but Lyles seemed to have had a cult following as the draft moved along.
The FT shooting is most problematic, but in 2 games he is 5/19 from the field and 8/17 from the FT line.

My rule of thumb for watching rookies, especially as early as SL, is to make special note of the good things they do, especially if they're done the right way, and try to take a more balanced look at the their weaknesses, and determine whether they are due to nerves, being out of shape, lack of ease in a new system, etc., and not because of some significant mechanical or BB IQ issue. You also look at their past history- If a guy who is known for a great jumper is not hitting shots in SL, or a guy known for his passing is not using the judgement he showed in college, I don't get worried.

I would be more worried about players with known flaws prior to the draft who continue to show them in SL, or a guy like Lyles, who was under the radar in many ways, getting all the hype he got before the draft, without actually having proved himself as a bit time player.

Briggs' thread is about his belief that the Kentucky bigs were part of an amazing system that covered up many of their flaws and highlighted their strengths, and that maybe they are not as good as players who were the main focus of opposing defenses whenever they played a college game.

But premature judgement can go both ways...StarksEwing1...it took you one single SL game to declare: Winslow was definetly a steal falling to 10. Maybe he will be, but he has also shown some significant flaws as a player, especially as a shooter, and then you see this in the SL box score for yesterday-DND - GENERAL SORENESS, and you realize that in the past 3 games he's played about 7 minutes of ball, and in the entire SL he's maybe hit about 1 jumper. For me, he has not exceeded expectations, and is actually showing some significant flaws in his game that will be exploited if he doesn't make adjustments.

Kaminsky, Turner, and Johnson might be seen as the "steals" of the draft, at least if you look at the results so far, and maybe Portis will be in that category, but who knows.

i have said winslow was a steal since draft....and im nota the only one. Many nba scouts, players, and people with more knowledge than me said winslow dropping to 10 was a gift since he was projected in top 6

Busting your chops, a bit...but maybe he was actually drafted at the right spot...or maybe even a bit too soon. Do you think that Indiana would want him over Turner at this point? Would Detroit take him over Johnson (something I thought they should have done on draft night) now that they have played a few games? Maybe Portis proves to be the better player in the long run...who knows. In my mind, though, there is some doubt about whether he was a steal, or more of a 10-15 spot pick at this time.

I do know this, though, my biggest issue with Winslow was his shooting, and so far, this has been backed up by his performances in SL. DraftExpress put out those terrible off the dribble stats he had at Duke, and so far that has been an issue. He is also shooting a much longer 3, and at least until now, he has not mastered it. They've let him play the Lebron top of the key do your stuff thing in SL, and he has had some moments, but he will be of limited use if he can't hit a pull-up jumper now and then.

I've said this a number of times, now. I don't think Winslow or OK4 prepared well for the draft workouts, and it showed when they dropped down below where many expected them to be drafted.

Briggs' idea about Kentucky might apply to any team with a lot of talent- Duke had some very good complimentary players to go along with Winslow and OK4- and maybe some of their weaknesses were masked a bit.

fitzfarm wrote:Yea I like towns potential but being on a team like Kentucky, nba teams and fans seem to over value them... I viewed towns as a lottery pick but it's pretty risky drafting on potential he's not bust material but could be disappointing in terms of stardom ..I view him as a good player with 2 or three years experience.

he's nba size, athletic,nice touch, can rebound when he wants. But to pick him first when he only averaged 11 a game and looked disinterested and lackadaisical at times ..

Derrick Coleman had all the ability just not the desire to be the star he could have been . I worry that towns might become the new age DC

The only low risk pick was OK4.....Everybody else was a high risk. Thats the problem when the 1st round is filled with freshmens. That wasn't the case back in the days, but thats where we are at right now! So it's a crap shoot. KP the biggest risk of them all, and he looks legit.