OK...since I gotta post it here.....

Sorry to pull you guys from your Ariza conversation...

Z trade rumour reported on ESPNEWS....

Z to the Knicks for KT and another player....

pulled up their Cavs get, Knicks get proposed trade breakdown screen.....they didn't just glance over it while showing clips...

Maybe KT and Deke? However it won't work on realgm...not enough money....what would work is KT and Eddie Robinson.....should work...KT and JYD might work (JYD makes a little less than Eddie)

I would think they'd want Nazr. I'd fine with doing that considering how badly it looks like we're gonna fleece Chicago. Bring back Baker and Doleac as some one has suggested to play backup PF and C.

Posted by VDesai:

I would think they'd want Nazr. I'd fine with doing that considering how badly it looks like we're gonna fleece Chicago. Bring back Baker and Doleac as some one has suggested to play backup PF and C.

Nazr doesn't make enough money to match the salaries....

I think they reported it as a player to be named later (that's how it was reported, I think)...means a player we don't have yet....maybe KT and Eddie Robinson...they should work...

Sign and trade for Boozer? Sometimes talks are smokescreened.

If I am Paxon, I try to make something out of it. Booze burned his bridges in Clev.

We send all our garbage plus KT for Craw and Big Z. Sounds too good.

I think Clev might need to clear some cap to resign Booze and both kiss and make up, put a good spin on things. Maybe we take big z and help a brother out.

A 3 way is too complicated with this type of deal, IMHO....Actually it is weird....

ESPNews reported it as a player to be named later (or announced) and pulled up that breakdown screen (you mknow the one they pull down when trades are done and we get to see who got what) that said proposed trade on the byline...then in the next loop of reports (you know how it repeats itself?) Nothing was said about the trade at all.... It was weird...

damn, we are gonna be pretty deep with these trade and have roster space to sign and resign some players. Miami is real thin right now, they lost raefer too. and they gonna have a 2nd year player (udonis ) playing pf. damn isiah looks so smart right now, first marbury, then trevor, and now 2 big name players. and if this goes down, we have 4 huge expirng contrats next next year-penny, 'gazy, Erob, and Zill.

Posted by mintyfreshness33:

damn, we are gonna be pretty deep with these trade and have roster space to sign and resign some players. Miami is real thin right now, they lost raefer too. and they gonna have a 2nd year player (udonis ) playing pf. damn isiah looks so smart right now, first marbury, then trevor, and now 2 big name players. and if this goes down, we have 4 huge expirng contrats next next year-penny, 'gazy, Erob, and Zill.

Actually, Z is an expiring contract this year. IF the Knicks acquire him, though, I expect he'll get an extension.

Maybe KT and Deke? However it won't work on realgm...not enough money....what would work is KT and Eddie Robinson.....should work...KT and JYD might work (JYD makes a little less than Eddie)

I hate to bring the bad news, but I don't think we could send JYD or E Rob along w/ kurt. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a rule where you can't trade a recently traded player within 60 days unless he's traded with another player from the orginal trade or by himself?

[Edited by - Matt4281 on 07/12/2004 15:25:55]

I hate to bring the bad news, but I don't think we could send JYD or E Rob along w/ kurt. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a rule where you can't trade a recently traded player within 60 days unless he's traded with another player from the orginal trade or by himself?

[Edited by - Matt4281 on 07/12/2004 15:25:55]

I seem to remember that you can place a certain title on someone and trade them right away. I remember Danny Manning being traded right away years ago. But if not, 60 days from now is September. I mean lets say its E Robinson, all parties know he's the player and plan accordingly. He's still there in time for training camp. I say we throw in Moochie Norris and take back Kevin Ollie. Kevin is much better defensively and will be a much better pratice, spot defense player. The contract is longer but its small. I mean ESPN doing the trade screen makes me feel this trade has already happened. Unless Carlos Boozer takes the 5 Million for one year Cleveland offers.

Im not into Ilgauskas, but its one year, he's a true center and can block shots. And Sweetney should just start, with JYD backing him up. Id also rather have Ilgauskas rather than Antoine Walker or Stromile Swift.

the thing about Ilgauskas vs. dampier is that his game is skilled based- he has a sweet shot for the pick and roll and is a nice passer- and his effectiveness (unless he is hurt) will last a lot longer (3-6 years+) than Dampier who might start dropping off because he is more an athlete.

But, can Cleveland really make two bad moves in the same summer?

If Boozier didn't cost him his job, this is proof that paxson needs to go

I think that there are a couple things that are going on with this....KT and Mutumbo do not add up to Z's contract.

New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.0 minutes)
New York receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -1.4 ppg, -6.9 rpg, and -0.9 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Cleveland receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 65 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.4 ppg, +6.9 rpg, and +0.9 apg.

TRADE DECLINED

Due to Cleveland and New York being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland and New York had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only Cleveland met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

On the other hand..the principles with Eddie Robinson going to Cleveland (I had to use it as a 3 team trade....)

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.1 ppg, 0.1 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.1 minutes)
PG Frank Williams (3.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 12.8 minutes)
New York receives: PF Jerome Williams (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.1 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (17.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 35.1 minutes)
C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

Chicago trades: SF Eddie Robinson (6.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.1 minutes)
PF Jerome Williams (6.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.1 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (17.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 35.1 minutes)
Chicago receives: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 80 games)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 66 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 56 games)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.1 ppg, 0.1 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7 games)
PG Frank Williams (3.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: -10.2 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -1.3 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (15.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Cleveland receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
SF Eddie Robinson (6.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 51 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

You have been assigned Trade ID number 1739625




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