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mreinman
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7/9/2015  10:30 PM
RonRon wrote:name me one player that we have close to

Lilliard

Wesley Matthews

Battum


Aldridge


Lopez was the WORST player in that starting lineup but some posters will take the WIN SHARE LIST and run with it...
This is where I have to agree with Sir Charle's thoughts on advanced stats

Affalo was put in the SL and WAS HORRIBLE....


On OKC, willing to pay up for Kanter but not for James Harden, yeah, there were posters here that thought that OKC won in the trade when it happened...

you want to agree with Barkley on advanced stats because you both don't know much about them so its easier to just not deal with it while every team is extremely invested and bought in.

all the players that are getting paid happen to all pretty much be high advanced stat players. Inefficient eye candy players don't fly anymore.

Time to get with the future.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/9/2015  10:31 PM
sealy wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
meloanyk wrote:That signing just made Jax look alot smarter locking up Lopez

The team that dumped Lopez was the team who signed Kanter. Lopez wasnt very good last year and was worse down the stretch. Maybe new location will help pump him back up but my guess is Portland has much more info on Lopez than we do.

Lopez had a WS48 last year of .150.

That is very very good.

Id say OKC and the Portland Trailblazers are pretty well run teams compared to the Knicks.

OKC is the team that gave up Harden which was one of the worst NBA move in many many years and Portland (who is well run) just lost Aldridge and are not in great shape.

Are you saying that Lopez must not be that good if Portland chose not to retain him? I think that we did possibly over pay for him but we had no choice and that Portland is looking to change things up.

Lopez is a very good player who actually plays team ball and defends very well. It was a very good get by Phil.

Really? Have you actually looked at the Blazer roster recently?

http://www.nba.com/blazers/roster

I'd take that team over what the Knicks all day. They have a lot of young promising talent that you cannot even begin to compare to this roster.

who is comparing the rosters. Duh they are better than us.

are they better than last year? Of course not.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/9/2015  10:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2015  10:47 PM
mreinman wrote:
sealy wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
meloanyk wrote:That signing just made Jax look alot smarter locking up Lopez

The team that dumped Lopez was the team who signed Kanter. Lopez wasnt very good last year and was worse down the stretch. Maybe new location will help pump him back up but my guess is Portland has much more info on Lopez than we do.

Lopez had a WS48 last year of .150.

That is very very good.

Id say OKC and the Portland Trailblazers are pretty well run teams compared to the Knicks.

OKC is the team that gave up Harden which was one of the worst NBA move in many many years and Portland (who is well run) just lost Aldridge and are not in great shape.

Are you saying that Lopez must not be that good if Portland chose not to retain him? I think that we did possibly over pay for him but we had no choice and that Portland is looking to change things up.

Lopez is a very good player who actually plays team ball and defends very well. It was a very good get by Phil.

Really? Have you actually looked at the Blazer roster recently?

http://www.nba.com/blazers/roster

I'd take that team over what the Knicks all day. They have a lot of young promising talent that you cannot even begin to compare to this roster.

who is comparing the rosters. Duh they are better than us.

are they better than last year? Of course not.

You confused me bc Briggs clearly said they they are well run compared to Knicks and you came back w/ saying the Blazers "are not in great shape" and I disagreed. And also think they are a very well run organization, as evidenced by the handling of losing a star player, SG and an overrated Center; 3/5 of the starters. Pretty straightforward stuff, I thought.
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7/9/2015  10:46 PM
sealy wrote:
mreinman wrote:
sealy wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
meloanyk wrote:That signing just made Jax look alot smarter locking up Lopez

The team that dumped Lopez was the team who signed Kanter. Lopez wasnt very good last year and was worse down the stretch. Maybe new location will help pump him back up but my guess is Portland has much more info on Lopez than we do.

Lopez had a WS48 last year of .150.

That is very very good.

Id say OKC and the Portland Trailblazers are pretty well run teams compared to the Knicks.

OKC is the team that gave up Harden which was one of the worst NBA move in many many years and Portland (who is well run) just lost Aldridge and are not in great shape.

Are you saying that Lopez must not be that good if Portland chose not to retain him? I think that we did possibly over pay for him but we had no choice and that Portland is looking to change things up.

Lopez is a very good player who actually plays team ball and defends very well. It was a very good get by Phil.

Really? Have you actually looked at the Blazer roster recently?

http://www.nba.com/blazers/roster

I'd take that team over what the Knicks all day. They have a lot of young promising talent that you cannot even begin to compare to this roster.

who is comparing the rosters. Duh they are better than us.

are they better than last year? Of course not.

You confused me bc Briggs clearly said they they are real run compared to Knicks and you came back w/ saying the Blazers "are not in great shape" and I disagreed. And also think they are a very well run organization, as evidenced by the handling of losing a star player, SG and an overrated Center; 3/5 of the starters. Pretty straightforward stuff, I thought.

why is he overrated? because he doesn't jack up a bunch of stupid sexy shots at a low percentage?

he is very efficient on offense and a very good defensive player. How many guys do you know like that?

Some guys just look for the wrong things that determine that a player is good.

And as far as the blazers, I expect them to take a huge step back this year.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/9/2015  11:28 PM
NBATV is reporting that OKC said that they will match Portland's offer.
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7/10/2015  7:46 AM
GustavBahler wrote:NBATV is reporting that OKC said that they will match Portland's offer.

hmm I wonder if they will dump someone

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7/10/2015  8:04 AM
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smackeddog wrote:Will cost the thunder $40mil this year including luxury tax, though if they match, they may be able to shift novak and another players salary.

We could use a TPE for a 2016 #1st round draft pick and just release the players. 5mm+ for late 1st rounder is fair.

Novak 3.75 million
DJ Augustin 2 million
Perry Jones 2 million
Andre Roberson 2.2 million
Mitch McGary 1.4 million

If the Knicks didn't sign Derrick Williams and had made some moderate adjustments to Affalo's deal plus the bump in the cap, they'd probably be able to take Novak, Jones and Roberson plus McGary as the push for a trade. The Thunder would pay into the tax zone no matter what they do this year as long as Kanter goes back, and they don't seem to want to move on from Waiters, Collision and Morrow seems like a good fit for what they want to do. DJ Augustin's value to them improves with Jackson gone.

Would the Thunder move on from McGary for tax relief? Roberson could defend but can't score. Jones has always been an interesting young player.

Not sure even with more foresight, the Knicks could offer the best deal possible to the Thunder.

As it stands, the Thunder are probably looking for team who can do a mass absorption of their disposable contracts.

Dallas however now has a whole gaggle of cap space, and could swallow up Novak, Collision, Jones, Roberson for McGary and maybe some other asset. Given their needs from frontline help, McGary and Collision would at least patch up for Dallas right away. I think Dallas would prefer Steven Adams, but not sure that variable of a trade would be on the table.
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7/10/2015  9:00 AM
GustavBahler wrote:NBATV is reporting that OKC said that they will match Portland's offer.

OKC probably couldve given him 4 years 60mm and got it done. They were cheap and now they will pay more.

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7/10/2015  10:37 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:NBATV is reporting that OKC said that they will match Portland's offer.

OKC probably couldve given him 4 years 60mm and got it done. They were cheap and now they will pay more.

your probably right, I wish the Knicks went after some these of these RFA's. Maybe it has to do with the time they have to wait to see if someone matches. I do think the Knicks rushed to sign Williams which was a rather bizarre move. We could of spent that money more wisely, I guess they figured they couldn't get someone with the pedigree of being a 2nd overall pick for that price. That being said, the guy has been a colossal bust and while there might be a miniscule chance he finally realizes his potiental we probably could of gotten a more useful player, or players

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7/10/2015  2:11 PM
Solace wrote:I would happily take Steve Novak back if they toss in a pick.

He couldn't get his shot off 3 years ago. I doubt if that skill has improved. I would rather have Prozingis taking those shots. Definitely a higher up side

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7/10/2015  7:09 PM
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Solace wrote:I would happily take Steve Novak back if they toss in a pick.

He couldn't get his shot off 3 years ago. I doubt if that skill has improved. I would rather have Prozingis taking those shots. Definitely a higher up side

Yeah he can't create his own shot. But it was exacerbated by our roster. You always need a sharpshooter to bring off the bench at key moments. Novak fits that bill. I think with our roster and team-based offense, he might get better looks.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/10/2015  7:23 PM
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Solace wrote:I would happily take Steve Novak back if they toss in a pick.

He couldn't get his shot off 3 years ago. I doubt if that skill has improved. I would rather have Prozingis taking those shots. Definitely a higher up side

Jees lets not set the bar of KP at Novak. If I was in charge the guy would not take more than 1 3 a game. Mid range face up to post. Take the three once in awhile in a perfect spot NEVER set up there.

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7/10/2015  8:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
meloanyk wrote:That signing just made Jax look alot smarter locking up Lopez

The team that dumped Lopez was the team who signed Kanter. Lopez wasnt very good last year and was worse down the stretch. Maybe new location will help pump him back up but my guess is Portland has much more info on Lopez than we do.

Lopez had a WS48 last year of .150.

That is very very good.

And he is only 27. Hardly an old guy in the downside of his career. Kanter is a great low post offensive threat and rebounder but he is atrocious on defense. Like next level bad. OKC couldn't play him down the stretch a lot last season.
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7/10/2015  8:04 PM
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
meloanyk wrote:That signing just made Jax look alot smarter locking up Lopez

The team that dumped Lopez was the team who signed Kanter. Lopez wasnt very good last year and was worse down the stretch. Maybe new location will help pump him back up but my guess is Portland has much more info on Lopez than we do.

Lopez had a WS48 last year of .150.

That is very very good.

Id say OKC and the Portland Trailblazers are pretty well run teams compared to the Knicks.

OKC is the team that gave up Harden which was one of the worst NBA move in many many years and Portland (who is well run) just lost Aldridge and are not in great shape.

Are you saying that Lopez must not be that good if Portland chose not to retain him? I think that we did possibly over pay for him but we had no choice and that Portland is looking to change things up.

Lopez is a very good player who actually plays team ball and defends very well. It was a very good get by Phil.

Agree. Especially considering when the cap jumps to $109 (possibly more, most likely more) than Lopez' contract will be a veritable bargain.
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7/12/2015  10:37 PM
Okc match
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/13/2015  3:29 AM
Interesting. I like Kanter and think he's probably worth paying for but I half-wonder if Portland was thinking that while it would be nice to have Kanter to replace Aldridge forcing OKC to somewhat overpay Kanter was the more likely scenario and so it was worth making the offer just to slightly hamstring OKC. Presumably that kind of thing does happen now and then.
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7/13/2015  4:05 AM
Portland is fked.
The Future is Bright!
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7/13/2015  6:28 AM
OKC matched the max possible offer to Kanter, Briggs. Just like we said they would. I'm glad the Knicks didn't waste time chasing RFAs. Big waste in this off-season. Be grateful they made a smart move with Kyle O'Quinn to arrange a sign and trade rather than try to deal with him as an RFA.
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7/13/2015  12:45 PM
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/13/2015  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  12:49 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:

He's no C he's a pf Adams is their C

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