TripleThreat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:With the Rockets potentially losing Jason Terry to Dallas and all of their free agent targets off the board, I could easily see them absorbing Calderon's contract into their platoon system. The same goes for the Mavericks who can dangle Raymond Felton's expirer as bait. But would that $7 million or so be useful at this stage of free agency? Who could we target?

No offense, but if you've determined that the 7 million is more valuable, then why wouldn't the Mavericks and Rockets come to that same conclusion?

The same reason why you want to get rid of a player is the same reason why other teams don't want him.

You also have to factor in Calderon is NOT an expiring deal, so losing that cap flexibility for the Rockets and Mavericks has to be seen in the context over multiple seasons. A practical trade for Calderon has to make sense for the non Knick teams ACROSS MULTIPLE SEASONS.

If you were GM of the Knicks and the rosters and situations of both teams were flip-flopped, and you were offered Jose Calderon, would you take him in trade? Then why should they?

No offense at all taken. I feel it all comes down to circumstance in the NBA. And from a historical perspective, contenders or teams that feel they can contend will forgive a bad contract if the returning player is an improvement over talent already on the team and/or is better than the available market. Even the Spurs, the best run organization in the league, took on a past-his-prime, maxed Richard Jefferson in a contract dump from Milwaukee. When it was clear he wasn't a fit, they then exchanged him for another horrible long-term contract in a past-his-prime Stephen Jackson.

Right now, all the Rockets really have is one of their cap exceptions to scour the free agent market for a PG. And while the current crop of free agent PG's might offer the opportunity to be a better value contract, I'm not so sure that any of them have anything over Jose Calderon the player when healthy (on a contender). There would be considerable risk involved on the Rockets part but what would they really be surrendering other than cap space during the 2016-2017 season that would be inconsequential with the impending cap spike? If I were them, I'd roll the dice because their is value in Jose as a contender as there was for Stephen Jackson and Richard Jefferson with the Spurs. From our perspective though, as a 6th seed playoff team in a weak Conference, I think he is largely useless.

fishmike wrote:

Its Jose... he's one year removed from starting PG on a 50 win Mavs team. He's a good player who brings plenty to the table. He was hurt last year and had nothing to show. Get him healthy and playing good ball again. Jose gets hated on here alot, especially by Briggs, mostly unfairly. He's not a star but he's a good player and unless his legs are shot he will help plenty.

fishmike wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Its Jose... he's one year removed from starting PG on a 50 win Mavs team. He's a good player who brings plenty to the table. He was hurt last year and had nothing to show. Get him healthy and playing good ball again. Jose gets hated on here alot, especially by Briggs, mostly unfairly. He's not a star but he's a good player and unless his legs are shot he will help plenty.

^^^+1 It's amazing to me how many people that supposedly know basketball but don't understand that he was playing hurt and playing with a bunch of crap around him. Is he gonna be the Calderon from Toronto?? Nope but he absolutely can be the Calderon he was in Dallas. Calderon is a true PG that doesn't turn the ball over much and can hit the 3 ball. That's what he is now and what he's been his entire career except maybe he was better at driving to the basket in his younger days. He's 33 and people act like 33 is ancient which it isn't for these players that keep themselves in great shape. If we could find a good trade for him then i'd be all for it but i also won't mind if he's running the point for us next year. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do healthy before judging on what you saw last year with our mess of a Knicks team.

why look at fact or reality when creating a thread? 2 years ago he played and started 81 games on a 50 win team. He was a starter for 2-3 years before that with Toronto as well, and that was with Lowry on the roster. Finally when Lowry essentially took his starting job he was traded to Det.

Last year is the anonomoly. Before the hammy last year he was a high level starter in the league for several years posting excellent shooting %s, incredible low TOs and excellent metrics scores if your into that.

Or we can say he's 40, never really been a starter and wish we had more cap space.

Nothing wrong with Jose the starting PG, and we need exactly what he brings. Hopefully he's healthy. If he is we have a good player who will help us right away. But then again those Spurs highlights were a LOOOOOOONG time ago... about 14 months to be exact (I guess thats 48 months in Nard dog years)