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TPercy
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7/5/2015  12:06 PM



Thanasis is ready. He plays good defense and is really good at getting to the rim. Plus Phil has already said he intends on signing him. Thanasis over Lance Thomas anyday.
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7/5/2015  12:09 PM
crzymdups wrote:I'm guessing the debate will be between bringing back Shved for the room or bringing in a three and D small forward who has a little more experience.

I also don't get guys assuming Grant is gonna walk in and start over Calderon. I love Grant and I'm thrilled he's a Knick but I think Calderon is definitely the starter. I would split their time pretty evenly but I think we need Calderon as a starter and leader. His shooting is also hugely important.


We won more games with Larkin as our starting PG over Caledron. Larkin was considered a Rookie because he was injured throughout his first season. Grant is way better than Larkin so I think he will start.
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7/5/2015  12:09 PM
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

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7/5/2015  12:14 PM
As muc as this may sound negative I'd sign Barganani. Barges used in a controlled way can be good player. I hope the Knicks don't forget this and he would be a priority to me to get back.
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7/5/2015  12:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/ricky-ledo/
Thanasis is going to be signed. Phil stated that and he should rightfully so be signed. Whats the point of keeping someone in the D League to learn the system and not sign him? I don't think Phil is that stupid. We have 12. Signing Lance means that Thanasis will play SG. Amundson should wait until Summer League is over..

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7/5/2015  12:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?


Ledo will be in SL. I believe Wear is also still in the picture.
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7/5/2015  12:18 PM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?


Ledo will be in SL. I believe Wear is also still in the picture.

Wear? I just saw him playing in the Summer League yesterday. He is of 0 use to us.

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7/5/2015  12:19 PM
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/ricky-ledo/
Thanasis is going to be signed. Phil stated that and he should rightfully so be signed. Whats the point of keeping someone in the D League to learn the system and not sign him? I don't think Phil is that stupid. We have 12. Signing Lance means that Thanasis will play SG. Amundson should wait until Summer League is over..

Thansis is a serious ? he has proven nothing. He's a wait and see

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7/5/2015  12:26 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Okay, Phil has one bullet let in the chamber before it's all minimum deals.

Do we use the room or keep the cap cleaner for next season?

Right now, we got:


Calderon / Grant
Afflalo / Galloway
Melo / Early / Thanasis
Porzingis (I actually think Amundson may be the default starter early in the season) / Williams
RLopez / Kyle O'Quinn

We have the room exception left - $2.8M - I have a feeling they'll go after a guy like Caron Butler or Dorrell Wright - someone who can back up Melo at the 3, possibly play next to Melo and be a 3 and D guy. I hate to say it, but I don't trust Early or Thanasis quite yet.

I actually like the looks of that second unit - O'Quinn is actually a fantastic passer from the high post and the best thing Williams does is back door cuts under the hoop. Ko'Q can actually cover for some of Williams' terribleness on D. You get the baby backcourt of Grant and Gallo who will be pretty damn lock down. I think they just need a vet-ish 3 who can defend and hit the three and lead the babies. Also, the bench unit sounds like a bunch of James Joyce characters.

I think it's rushing Zinger to start him, but I can't fathom starting Derrick Williams.

I have a feeling Lou Amundson may actually wind up starting again in stretches.

I would like to bring back Amundson and maybe Cole and maybe Shved. Maybe we just sign Lance Thomas and that's that.

I can see J.Smith or Bargnani starting at the 4 spot next year if we bring one of or both back. They both have that great 15-18 foot jump shot and their offense next to Rolo's defense could work well. I know i don't have many of you that agree with bringing either of them back but i don't think they get the credit they deserve for what they can bring to the team. Please bring Shved back to.

Hate to say it..but you might be right. It seemed like the only scorers last year besides Melo were Bags, Smith and Shved. Specially second half. I know the triangle is suppose to have everyone score but Aflalo does not seem to be enough to take load off Melo. With all defensive signings, maybe Bags, Shved or Even Smith are less of a liability. Specially with the right match ups.


Bargs, J.Smith and Shved were all playing starter minutes last year and were being counted on to produce much more than they should of been because of injuries and whatever else that was going on with our Knicks last year. These guys are supposed to be coming off the bench and playing around 20/25 minutes a game which is what they would be getting next year if they came back and i think all three fit the triangle perfectly with what they bring to the team. People need to stop thinking about Bargs as being the #1 overall pick in his draft and expecting him to give what a #1 overall pick should be giving on the court cause that's not who he is and the same can be said about DW who was the #2 overall pick. They were both busts compared to where they were picked but both still have talent and can bring some good minutes to the Knicks especially Bargs. We're talking about a legit 7 footer that can consistently hit the 15-18 foot shot and when you have your big man bringing the guy that's guarding him out of the paint that opens up the paint for other players and that goes for J.Smith as well. My biggest point here is for people to stop expecting Bargs to produce like a #1 overall pick and take him for what he does bring to the court/team. Bargs, J.Smith, Shved, DW are role players and can all be good role players.
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7/5/2015  12:27 PM
I think Amundson is the guy you reward and bring back of all the names mentioned. Shved, too.

I don't have a problem with bringing Lance back either.

I like the idea of Thanasis... but his highlights don't stand out for me. He seems a little clumsy and hesitant. And one of those career high 30pt games came in a blow out loss. He gets injured at the end of the other 36pt game. I dunno, I'm not rooting against him, but not sold on him.


Briggs, I think you are right skill-wise about Bargnani, but I just hate the sight of that guy. I wonder how much of a paycut he's ready to take as well. For some reason, I don't think he has realized yet that he is not ever making $10M per year again in the NBA.

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7/5/2015  12:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/ricky-ledo/
Thanasis is going to be signed. Phil stated that and he should rightfully so be signed. Whats the point of keeping someone in the D League to learn the system and not sign him? I don't think Phil is that stupid. We have 12. Signing Lance means that Thanasis will play SG. Amundson should wait until Summer League is over..

Thansis is a serious ? he has proven nothing. He's a wait and see


Other than the fact that he is an uber athletic two way player. We need defense, aggression and penetration. Thanasis provides all of that.
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7/5/2015  12:30 PM
Josh Smith...He still getting big bucks from the Pistons.....or try to get Lou Williams we need a scoring gaurd
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7/5/2015  12:30 PM
If Thanasis was ready not sure Phil would have been interviewing C-Brewer and also been linked to KJ McDaniels
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7/5/2015  12:30 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Thought I read that Smith was in early talks with another team. Remember that he was coming off a leg injury last year…I expect that he'll be better this year.

Wonder if Shved has had any offers, and whether he might go back overseas, since it would seem he is not going to get much more than the vets minimum.

I figure that Cole, Thomas and Amundson will be back at the end of the bench on minimum contracts.

Have no idea where Ledo is on the pecking order, and is Acy still alive?

I think that Thanasis is fighting for his life at this point, just not sure if he will fit in with the Knicks if his offensive issues from the outside have not been addressed by him in the off-season.


Yeah i was really rooting for Thanasis cause we drafted him and i love his energy on defense that he brings but he's still so out of control when he plays. He has soooooo much energy that it's actually too much energy which sounds crazy but it's true. I'd still like it if they sign him and give him a chance and his defense can clearly be used in limited time and on certain players but i don't see a NBA ready player when i watched him play last year.
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7/5/2015  12:32 PM
BRIGGS wrote:As muc as this may sound negative I'd sign Barganani. Barges used in a controlled way can be good player. I hope the Knicks don't forget this and he would be a priority to me to get back.

I was one of the bigger Bargs fans and once believed in him but it's obvious he kills chemistry and doesn't really give a **** about playing the game.

Be done with him and we will be better off. He's fools gold.

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7/5/2015  12:34 PM
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Who's our 3 SF's?? We have Melo and Early but i wouldn't count on Early being the backup to Melo and DW can play SF but that's not where he needs to be playing so is that the 3 you're talking about in Melo, Early and DW??
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BRIGGS wrote:As muc as this may sound negative I'd sign Barganani. Barges used in a controlled way can be good player. I hope the Knicks don't forget this and he would be a priority to me to get back.

I was one of the bigger Bargs fans and once believed in him but it's obvious he kills chemistry and doesn't really give a **** about playing the game.

Be done with him and we will be better off. He's fools gold.

You are viewing Bargs as a main player. View him as a controlled minutes player who doesn't make 13 mm.

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7/5/2015  12:38 PM
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?


Ledo will be in SL. I believe Wear is also still in the picture.

Wear? I just saw him playing in the Summer League yesterday. He is of 0 use to us.

Wear has a twin brother also playing in the summer league.

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7/5/2015  12:38 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:As muc as this may sound negative I'd sign Barganani. Barges used in a controlled way can be good player. I hope the Knicks don't forget this and he would be a priority to me to get back.

I was one of the bigger Bargs fans and once believed in him but it's obvious he kills chemistry and doesn't really give a **** about playing the game.

Be done with him and we will be better off. He's fools gold.

You are viewing Bargs as a main player. View him as a controlled minutes player who doesn't make 13 mm.

I honestly don't think Bargs knows how to contribute unless he's being treated as a first option on offense. When you do that he's mediocre with the occasional very good game. When he's not option 1, he doesn't seem to know what to do with himself and becomes disengaged.

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7/5/2015  12:41 PM
TPercy wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah I think Amundson, Cole and Lance will be back on minimum deals.

That leaves one final spot. I'd assume it's Shved getting the room? Or maybe they try to split the room between Jason Smith and Shved and let Cole go.

Berman reported that Phil is trying to bring back Lou and Lance on minimum deals. I did hear the Spurs and one other team were interested in Lance.

I don't know what to think about Thanasis. Love his energy but his game seems raw. I don't think fans would be as interested in him if it weren't for his brother.


We have 3 spots left. Lance makes no sense because we already have 3 SFs unless we don't plan to get another SG. Quite frankly I don't want Lance back, I would rather get someone with leadership qualities like Caron Butler. Phil shouldn't be in any rush to sign a reserve pf. What if Labeyrie shows out in summer league? Stupid move.

Just going by what's been reported - Phil is trying to bring back Amundson and Lance. Those are two guys Fisher trusts to bring the right approach. I think they'll be back.

Under contract I have the Knicks having:

Calderon
Grant
Afflalo
Galloway
Ledo (partial guarantee til August I think)
Melo
Early
Williams
Porzingis
RLopez
O'Quinn

That's 11

Thanasis is not officially signed

Amundson and Lance are rumored to be minimum deals.

Which could leave us at 13 guys and the room exception left to fill two spots.

I'm not convinced Ledo is back though.

I think Jason Smith and Shved and Cole will be in the mix for the last two spots, but I'm in favor of waiting til Summer League plays out to set the roster. Maybe Thanasis earns a spot.

I wonder if Ledo plays summer league?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/ricky-ledo/
Thanasis is going to be signed. Phil stated that and he should rightfully so be signed. Whats the point of keeping someone in the D League to learn the system and not sign him? I don't think Phil is that stupid. We have 12. Signing Lance means that Thanasis will play SG. Amundson should wait until Summer League is over..

Thansis is a serious ? he has proven nothing. He's a wait and see


Other than the fact that he is an uber athletic two way player. We need defense, aggression and penetration. Thanasis provides all of that.

Who's a two way player?? Thanasis?? Hahahaha he has a long way to go before his offense works for the NBA.
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