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7/3/2015  3:53 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens with Calderon. Some executives hang onto guys they missed on in hopes that the signing works out. I think Calderon would be ok if he is healthy. I worry about Achilles injuries, especially at his age.
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7/3/2015  3:54 PM
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:This is starting to be the new take on Phil and the Knicks. More media are starting to acknowledge that the Knicks are not lost and are in fact smart and executing a sound plan. It's been open season on Phil and the Knicks but now it's starting to become clearer what the plan for this summer was.

damn its really important to you for everybody to bend over and kiss phils ass . Personally i like what phil has done even though lopez was a bit of a overpay. However even though i like what phil has done there is still a big hill to climg until we are in good shape

Is that the point tho? Did I ask anyone to kiss Phil's butt? I'm just showing that it's starting to be acknowledged that Phil isn't a naive clown that is just here for the money and who is in over his head. Surely it's a nice thing to see that panic hasn't set in and Phil is calmly going about his business. The team is taking shape and should be improved. One step at a time. Little by little Phil is upgrading the roster. It doesn't have to all come in one off season.

i never said he did bad...i like it for the most part. All im saying that not every move in his tenure has been great.

Who said every move Phil made was great? We all acknowledged that his 1st plan didn't work out. The difference is that since he flushed the roster Phil has been trying to prepare for the future and his draft was great and now he's making solid moves in FA. Not spectacular but then you can't guarantee anything in FA. His plan is taking shape tho and others are starting to notice. I don't know why that should bother any Knick fan that our team is being built up and set up for the future.
once again i really like what he has done. But my whole point is there is still more for him to do. If he does it and the knicks do well...then he will get a ton of respect. Sounds fair
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7/3/2015  3:56 PM
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i can never take anthony too seriously...hes just way too positive and optimistic. with that said i agree with the original post - the team has upgraded

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/3/2015  3:56 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:The good news for you, Nix, is that Phil really lowered the bar with last season's performance. This year's team probably doesn't even have to win as many games as the team he inherited did for him to start getting praise.

I fail to see why this is important. This isn't about what happened before. All that matters is Phil putting things in order for a better future. The moves he's making will help the team going forward. All you can do is try to make smart moves that further your goals and vision. Phil knows what he wants the team to be. He's acquiring talent that fits those goals. This will take continual trial and error to perfect. It takes time to get that right. For the 1st time we have a President that is looking to do it right.
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7/3/2015  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  4:03 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.
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7/3/2015  4:11 PM
They won 17 games and had a top 4 pick and almost $30M in cap room. Adding three nba starters should be the bare minimum expectation. They did a decent job. I look forward to watching a more competitive team next season. I'm glad we have some young guys to be excited about and more cap room coming in 2016 and 2017. I still think making the playoffs next season would be a surprise.
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7/3/2015  4:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  4:19 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..
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7/3/2015  4:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens with Calderon. Some executives hang onto guys they missed on in hopes that the signing works out. I think Calderon would be ok if he is healthy. I worry about Achilles injuries, especially at his age.
need to get rid of him. Still wondering what phil was thinking with that move
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7/3/2015  4:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  4:20 PM
It was a decent off season but this team will struggle to be .500. And with no 1st rounder they better overachieve and make playoffs.
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7/3/2015  4:23 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens with Calderon. Some executives hang onto guys they missed on in hopes that the signing works out. I think Calderon would be ok if he is healthy. I worry about Achilles injuries, especially at his age.
need to get rid of him. Still wondering what phil was thinking with that move

At this point you gotta see if he has anything left in the tank. He could be a solid outside shooter for us.

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7/3/2015  4:26 PM
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/3/2015  4:30 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

it would be great to make the playoffs, lets just not ever lose sight that shooting for an eighth seed is pretty much a waste of time if you sacrifice building a system and cohesion for the sake of winning a few more games.

this means benching carmelo anthony if he takes more than 16-17 shots per game.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/3/2015  4:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:This is starting to be the new take on Phil and the Knicks. More media are starting to acknowledge that the Knicks are not lost and are in fact smart and executing a sound plan. It's been open season on Phil and the Knicks but now it's starting to become clearer what the plan for this summer was.

damn its really important to you for everybody to bend over and kiss phils ass . Personally i like what phil has done even though lopez was a bit of a overpay. However even though i like what phil has done there is still a big hill to climg until we are in good shape

Is that the point tho? Did I ask anyone to kiss Phil's butt? I'm just showing that it's starting to be acknowledged that Phil isn't a naive clown that is just here for the money and who is in over his head. Surely it's a nice thing to see that panic hasn't set in and Phil is calmly going about his business. The team is taking shape and should be improved. One step at a time. Little by little Phil is upgrading the roster. It doesn't have to all come in one off season.


How dare you be positive and optimistic on here. LOL
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7/3/2015  4:33 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.


Carmelo Anthony has not had success as a starter??????..Two years ago when he wasn't hurt, he put up 27 pts and 8 boards pr game for an entire season...Last time it was done was Shaq Oneal...Please stop the stupid talk, you and Triple are embarrassing yourselves...You aren't taken seriously..
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7/3/2015  4:36 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

Of course they are an upgrade over d league players, rookies and 3rd stringers...We won 17 games last year..Fielding a team that wins 30 games isn't a cause for celebration...U were killing and I do mean killing Woodson during the 54 win season...Now you want us to pull our the pom poms for a projected 30 win team...

Who's asking you to shake Pom Poms? You are a fan right? This is the best execution of a plan we've seen this team attempt in recent times. It's plan B but it's a good plan. Also we don't know right now just how good or bad the team will be. Just throwing out 30 wins suits your narrative but has no basis in fact. You can't say what the team is going to be capable of at this point. That's not even the point. This isn't about just next season. Why can't I seem to get thru to you guys that it's not about one season? This is about a long term vision for this franchise. Phil has made it clear he wants to build for sustained success. You can't do that with only a short term plan.

If what you are stating is his long term plan, which is different than his stated plan, then it's not realistic..Golden State was the second most in terms of frequency in the lottery over the last decade prior to building that team..It's a huge trial and error process with players..You aren't going to turn it around with one lottery visit unless u draft Tim Duncan and David Robinson is waiting for him...

U have to have a shot at many lottery players year after year..Picking the best of D League players while trying to filed a .500 team won't cut it...Hoping you hit a home run with your only lottery pick is not a viable plan..

Jordan and Aldrige were not leaving playoff teams to sign with a team that won 17 freakin games in the east....So, since you pretty much poo-pooed everything Phil and the Knicks have done, Can you Outline a better plan for Phil and Knicks from June 30th to today?
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7/3/2015  4:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2015  4:41 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

he has not had true success as a starter in almost his entire career. he is best-suited to a sixth man role going forward. so in effect you are wrong, the knicks had not a single nba starting caliber player.


Carmelo Anthony has not had success as a starter??????..Two years ago when he wasn't hurt, he put up 27 pts and 8 boards pr game for an entire season...Last time it was done was Shaq Oneal...Please stop the stupid talk, you and Triple are embarrassing yourselves...You aren't taken seriously..

he has been a loser come playoff time. sixth men can give the illusion of being starting-caliber during the jayvee season when the competition is below average half the time and when the defense is more slack.

by contrast he has been easily made inefficient/ineffective in the playoffs on offense, and his defense has always been below the standards necessary in a starting-caliber player. therefore he is always exposed as a liability in the playoffs, and mostly sooner than later.

as you yourself shared, there is a perception that carmelo anthiny is SOFT. there is a measure of truth to that.

teams that win have at least three-two way players in their lineup. can't do it with fewer than that. hence the knicks have failed with him here.

ergo carmelo anthiny has not had... and will not have... success as a starter on a title contender.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/3/2015  4:41 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

it would be great to make the playoffs, lets just not ever lose sight that shooting for an eighth seed is pretty much a waste of time if you sacrifice building a system and cohesion for the sake of winning a few more games.

this means benching carmelo anthony if he takes more than 16-17 shots per game.

Ok
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newyorker4ever wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:This is starting to be the new take on Phil and the Knicks. More media are starting to acknowledge that the Knicks are not lost and are in fact smart and executing a sound plan. It's been open season on Phil and the Knicks but now it's starting to become clearer what the plan for this summer was.

damn its really important to you for everybody to bend over and kiss phils ass . Personally i like what phil has done even though lopez was a bit of a overpay. However even though i like what phil has done there is still a big hill to climg until we are in good shape

Is that the point tho? Did I ask anyone to kiss Phil's butt? I'm just showing that it's starting to be acknowledged that Phil isn't a naive clown that is just here for the money and who is in over his head. Surely it's a nice thing to see that panic hasn't set in and Phil is calmly going about his business. The team is taking shape and should be improved. One step at a time. Little by little Phil is upgrading the roster. It doesn't have to all come in one off season.


How dare you be positive and optimistic on here. LOL
positivity and optimistic is fine. In fact Its important. However you gotta be realistic too
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7/3/2015  4:43 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens with Calderon. Some executives hang onto guys they missed on in hopes that the signing works out. I think Calderon would be ok if he is healthy. I worry about Achilles injuries, especially at his age.
need to get rid of him. Still wondering what phil was thinking with that move

He was thinking he was getting a true point guard that hardly ever turns the ball over and is one of the best at hitting the 3 point shot but he came to a team full of crap and he was dealing with injuries all season so it was tough for him to really get his game going. If he stays healthy along with everyone else he'll be the guy Phil thought he was getting.
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CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Adding anyone is addressing a need, we had one NBA caliber starter...

I don't think that's quite the point being made. Yes when you start with nothing but media and some fans were basically trashing what Phil was doing and when you step back and look at what he's doing it looks a lot better and it looks like sound basketball management. There's a vision and a plan that is being executed. These are the things many of us have been talking about giving Phil a chance to actually execute.

Nix, the two guys we signed were not in the game in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...Portland got bounced in the first round..Afflalo look old the year after Orlando..He just looked slower in Denver and Portland...He lost a step if not two..I'm not expecting him to add another gear in NY..


Only one team won the title last year. Everyone else failed. You could do a similar synopsis of any of the available FA's. That's not even close to the point. We needed to upgrade the roster and Afflalo would represent an upgrade. You have to hope he's healthy now and ready to bounce back. RoLo is an upgrade and in the end we need players that fit our needs and style of play. Let's worry about playoff performances when we get there.

it would be great to make the playoffs, lets just not ever lose sight that shooting for an eighth seed is pretty much a waste of time if you sacrifice building a system and cohesion for the sake of winning a few more games.

this means benching carmelo anthony if he takes more than 16-17 shots per game.

Ok

the thing that disgusts you will nonetheless be the recipe for greatest success.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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