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7/2/2015  9:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2015  9:26 PM
No real difference per minute. If anything Koufus is a better rebounder.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/koufoko01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezro01.html

Also Koufus has 3400 minutes less on his body.

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7/2/2015  9:27 PM
I like Koufos. He could just be a victim of being behind a better player and not getting enough of a run. If we could also scoop him up that would be great.
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7/2/2015  9:28 PM
sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.
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7/2/2015  9:29 PM
If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
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Man really i would rather give that to T. Harris....get j smith, beverly n hibbert n call it a day for now
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CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
agreed crush. I do like lopez but thats alot of money and expectation for him. If we sign him for 13 million thats a big chunk of our cap space. The afflalo deal was more reasonable
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Jordan has a better chance of winnin the championship being in the East
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dwiley20 wrote:Jordan has a better chance of winnin the championship being in the East

Yea if he joined bulls, cavs,heat or wizard..
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7/2/2015  9:34 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
agreed crush. I do like lopez but thats alot of money and expectation for him. If we sign him for 13 million thats a big chunk of our cap space. The afflalo deal was more reasonable
Yeah but I know if the Knicks sign him I will be really excited. I only have Melo and Ewing shirts but I probably would get a Lopez shirt if he came to NY.
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7/2/2015  9:34 PM
franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7
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franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrico01.html

actually Aldrich is a better shotblocker and rebounder than both of them per minute. His offense is right behind them overall his per minute production is the best. Now can he play 28 minutes every night? You could probably sign Aldrich for 3mm and that paves way to maybe signing Tobias Harris to a contract that Orlando would not match

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7/2/2015  9:34 PM
This is a bad deal for an injury prone player like him. I'd much rather we get Koufus unless we can get Jordan.
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7/2/2015  9:35 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
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CrushAlot wrote:If the Knicks grabbed Koufos and were able to get another impact player it might be a better move. Lopez makes more of a splash in the papers Not sure if it is that much better on the court. I will be really psyched if they sign Lopez though.
agreed crush. I do like lopez but thats alot of money and expectation for him. If we sign him for 13 million thats a big chunk of our cap space. The afflalo deal was more reasonable
Yeah but I know if the Knicks sign him I will be really excited. I only have Melo and Ewing shirts but I probably would get a Lopez shirt if he came to NY.
thats nice but basketball wise it wont be that much of a improvement. At best maybe 30—32 wins without having any picks
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franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7

Yeah Nixluva but would you rather have Cole Aldrich and Tobias Harris? Or just Robin Lopez and maybe an overpaid injury prone Beverly? I guess I dont care I just want to see Ktistaps play well:)

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franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrico01.html

actually Aldrich is a better shotblocker and rebounder than both of them per minute. His offense is right behind them overall his per minute production is the best. Now can he play 28 minutes every night? You could probably sign Aldrich for 3mm and that paves way to maybe signing Tobias Harris to a contract that Orlando would not match

Cole gets tired easily. Not sure that he could play 28 minutes. I also was really discouraged when he walked away with the ball when Acy was ready to fight with three guys from the other team.
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7/2/2015  9:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7

Yeah Nixluva but would you rather have Cole Aldrich and Tobias Harris? Or just Robin Lopez and maybe an overpaid injury prone Beverly? I guess I dont care I just want to see Ktistaps play well:)


I understand your point but I think Phil believes he can get a bit more out of RLopez. He's shown he can be part of a starting line up for a playoff team. I think it's just a comfort level with a player that has experienced that and been relied on.
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nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

You're underestimating how good R Lopez actually is. His WS48 was .150


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7

Yeah Nixluva but would you rather have Cole Aldrich and Tobias Harris? Or just Robin Lopez and maybe an overpaid injury prone Beverly? I guess I dont care I just want to see Ktistaps play well:)


I understand your point but I think Phil believes he can get a bit more out of RLopez. He's shown he can be part of a starting line up for a playoff team. I think it's just a comfort level with a player that has experienced that and been relied on.

Its possible.

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7/2/2015  9:42 PM
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franco12 wrote:sorry - I think we could make do with Cole Aldrich & Jason Smith. Its not the money, its the amount of space on our cap that deal takes up.

I'd rather suck, watch Toronto pick 1st than give that kind of contract out to Brooke's brother.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrico01.html

actually Aldrich is a better shotblocker and rebounder than both of them per minute. His offense is right behind them overall his per minute production is the best. Now can he play 28 minutes every night? You could probably sign Aldrich for 3mm and that paves way to maybe signing Tobias Harris to a contract that Orlando would not match

If the Knicks could get Tobias that would probably be the smart move. Orlando's gm has said he will match but they are a frugal team and seem like they want to replace Tobias. If the contract was structured right I don't think they would match because I think they know Tobias wants to leave.
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nixluva wrote:$12-13mil isn't too much in this market. There is a bit of a fight over him now since he's the last of the somewhat better bigs left. It would still leave enough money to add another FA or 2 and then they'll use the Room Exception and Vet Minimums for the end of the bench guys.

Well it sounds like Phil wants P.Beverley pretty bad so what do you guys think he's worth?? Remember he's a RFA so Houston can match so we need to make it enough for them not to match but not too much that it's a bad signing by us.
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I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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