StarksEwing1 wrote:Harris is a RFA. Orlando isnt gonna let him walk. Even if they did harris probably would look for a better situation

y2zipper wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo took less this year so the Knicks could get free agents. Wonder how he's feeling right now?

I really wouldn't be surprised if he demanded a trade by training camp.

If he demands a trade, the Knicks should move him. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world at this point.

I understand bringing him back to see if you can put talent around him, but the message with this free agency is pretty clearly that established talent isn't hitching its wagon to him.

crzymdups wrote:

TPercy wrote:Allow me to enlighten you with some positivity.
Tyson Chandler-He was probably going to leave anyway, but hey! we got Thanasis and Early ...
Iman Shumpert- We got a 2nd rounder for him, better than nothing. He was never going to be successful here and I highly doubt he would have resigned.
Drafted a player who is "several years away" Come on now, yes he can get stronger but he is very quick for his size, a great shooter, a good weak side defender, underrated in the post as well. He could very well be an ungaurdable player, but for now he needs to add some strength.
The rest of the league dosen't mock the triangle, in fact successful teams like the Spurs and GSW run really modfied versions of the triangle.

I got nothing for Monroe
Carroll? Do you really want to sign him to that ridiculous contract?
Players won't meet with us?How do you know?

Porzingis can be the saving grace. That's really our only hope here. At all.

I will root like heck for him to succeed.

But given Phil's other calls, I am skeptical.

Tyson was my favorite Knicks player in a long time. I would have rather told Melo to take a hike and retooled around Tyson. He's highly respected around the league. LMA may go to PHX just to play with him.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Harris is a RFA. Orlando isnt gonna let him walk. Even if they did harris probably would look for a better situation

I believe Ned knows Tobias and has said he and his family want him to come back home. Also, Orlando is notoriously cheap and tried to sign his replacement in free agency yesterday. I think there is a good chance that if the right contract was offered they wouldn't match. Not sure if it is time to make an offer on a rfa yet though.

im very skeptical of that. Dont get me wrong id love to get him i just see it as a very low probability

I like Tobias. I just don't see how he fits into the Triangle especially with Melo and Porzingis here.

But, sure, if they miss out on ROLO, I'd offer Harris a contract and see what happens.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Harris is a RFA. Orlando isnt gonna let him walk. Even if they did harris probably would look for a better situation

I believe Ned knows Tobias and has said he and his family want him to come back home. Also, Orlando is notoriously cheap and tried to sign his replacement in free agency yesterday. I think there is a good chance that if the right contract was offered they wouldn't match. Not sure if it is time to make an offer on a rfa yet though.

im very skeptical of that. Dont get me wrong id love to get him i just see it as a very low probability

Are you skeptical that he wants to come to NY or that Orlando will match?

crzymdups wrote:

TPercy wrote:Allow me to enlighten you with some positivity.
Tyson Chandler-He was probably going to leave anyway, but hey! we got Thanasis and Early ...
Iman Shumpert- We got a 2nd rounder for him, better than nothing. He was never going to be successful here and I highly doubt he would have resigned.
Drafted a player who is "several years away" Come on now, yes he can get stronger but he is very quick for his size, a great shooter, a good weak side defender, underrated in the post as well. He could very well be an ungaurdable player, but for now he needs to add some strength.
The rest of the league dosen't mock the triangle, in fact successful teams like the Spurs and GSW run really modfied versions of the triangle.

I got nothing for Monroe
Carroll? Do you really want to sign him to that ridiculous contract?
Players won't meet with us?How do you know?

Porzingis can be the saving grace. That's really our only hope here. At all.

I will root like heck for him to succeed.

But given Phil's other calls, I am skeptical.

Tyson was my favorite Knicks player in a long time. I would have rather told Melo to take a hike and retooled around Tyson. He's highly respected around the league. LMA may go to PHX just to play with him.

crzymdups wrote:Let's recap:

Gave away Tyson Chandler
Gave away Iman Shumpert and JR Smith "for cap room"
Drafted a player who is several years away with no picks til 2017
Hired a rookie coach to coach a style of play the rest of the league mocks

Geared everything towards free agency, then:

Blew his shot at Greg Monroe - reportedly didn't offer him a max contract.
Didn't even get a meeting with DeMarre Carroll
Players won't even meet with us

the one good move he made is maybe Jerian Grant, though we're rumoredly pursuing Patrick Beverly and already have Langston Galloway on the roster

I'm sorry, I don't like to be a downer, but this is an astoundingly bad performance. I'll watch the team to root for KP, Grant, Galloway and stuff.... but man, this is ugly as hell.

I wouldn't be surprised if Phil and Fisher are gone before the end of next season.

So confused. Phil has made his share of mistakes here, mainly his entire opinion of the origional roster, letting Carmelo play until the AS break, and his marriage to the triangle, and Steve Kerr, you are reaching here.

Gave away Tyson Chandler- I was a huge Tyson fan. He was my favorite Knick. But do you remember the circumstances which he left? Constantly hurt, badly outplayed against Indy, CONSTANTLY throwing Woodson under the bus. And one of his qualities was supposed to be leadership.

Gave away Iman Shumpert and JR Smith "for cap room"-Is this the same Shumpert that got hurt so regularly he actually got hurt the night we were gonna trade him? I liked Shumpert bit the only thing he added to his game was a corner 3 (he couldn't drive, couldn't shoot) and really only evolved his rap career here? Would I have liked to keep Shumpert? Yes. Do I consider it a huge loss? Not even close.

Drafted a player who is several years away with no picks til 2017-Your opinion. Personally I think his plan was use the draft to get future talent and use his money for buy now pay now production through free agency in the present.

Hired a rookie coach to coach a style of play the rest of the league mocks - no argument here except his first choice seemed to do real good this year.

Geared everything towards free agency, then:

Blew his shot at Greg Monroe - reportedly didn't offer him a max contract.-This is a catch 22. It was 50-50 whether Monroe was a max player in the press and in NBA circles. Phil placed and certain value on his services he didn't want to go over. Monroe wasn't/isn't a franchise changing player. And I wanted Monroe.

Didn't even get a meeting with DeMarre Carroll-If Toronto says, you leave n offer is off the table, thay isn't Phil's fault. Carroll signed to fast for anything other than Toronto giving Demare a "We will give you whatever you want now, but if you leave you may not be able to come back".

Players won't even meet with us so far only Aldridge said no, and it is because he apparently doesn't want to play center. Personally, I don't want him playing center here either. Honestly was never in love with him, although he has a versatile skillset.

Personally, I think a major mistake Phil is making is not getting an Alpha Dog leader here. I don't think Melo is that guy. I would have loved to somehow parlay that 4th pick into Westbrook. I think this team needs a player like that with a mentality like that. I would love to grab a guy like David West, just for his leadership and toughness.

Chandler was an overpaid soft bellied cry baby. He was about as hard as a chocolate fire guard and had long since passed being fit for purpose in a Knicks jersey.

magicTs wrote:Some superb revisionism going on.

Chandler was an overpaid soft bellied cry baby. He was about as hard as a chocolate fire guard and had long since passed being fit for purpose in a Knicks jersey.

No revisionism from me. I've hated every move in real time.

The revisionism is that people called the Tyson trade a "win now" move and Phil thought he was making the playoffs. Then we started 5-32 and he decided to blow it up and called himself a genius for creating all this cap room. Which he can't use because no one wants to come here.

crzymdups wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Harris is a RFA. Orlando isnt gonna let him walk. Even if they did harris probably would look for a better situation

I believe Ned knows Tobias and has said he and his family want him to come back home. Also, Orlando is notoriously cheap and tried to sign his replacement in free agency yesterday. I think there is a good chance that if the right contract was offered they wouldn't match. Not sure if it is time to make an offer on a rfa yet though.

im very skeptical of that. Dont get me wrong id love to get him i just see it as a very low probability

I like Tobias. I just don't see how he fits into the Triangle especially with Melo and Porzingis here.

But, sure, if they miss out on ROLO, I'd offer Harris a contract and see what happens.

Harris plays no defense. I'm not giving him a max contract.

I'd sign Beverley and trade for Lee if it nets us back a 1st. Then sign a serviceable, vet min type player to play C and whatever backup wing man they can get. Try to move Calderon. If that fails, use the stretch provision if they think the extra $4 mil could net them a young player for the future in FA.