Vmart wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:The other teams can offer the same as the Knicks the real question is do they really want to be here. If you guys were FAs and other teams can offer you the same money would you want NY. I think a lot of you would say no. They don't want to deal with the headaches that come with NY. The media is unforgiving here a lot of these guys don't really want any part of it.

exactly why we need to continue build through the draft. Porzingis can develop without anymore intense pressure. Phil has to find a way to get a first rounder we lost in the terrible bargs trade

I think Phil has picked up on that and is targeting more Euro players that might be the way to go for this organization.

and that probably is his best (and maybe only) move

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us

dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot

well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?

Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect

I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us

dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot

well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?

Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect

I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use

fair enough smack

looking for a better term to use ... whaddya got?

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us

dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot

well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?

Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect

I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use

fair enough smack

looking for a better term to use ... whaddya got?

Dolan'd

can you use it in a sentence?

I propose that we trade Calderon for Jimmy Butler and a first rounder. The bulls really need a PG.

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us

dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot

well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?

Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect

I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations

thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.

nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid

Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?

you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so ****ing badly but i try to keep it real as well

With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.

What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?

knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations

thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.

nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid

Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?

you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so ****ing badly but i try to keep it real as well

Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly.

With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.

What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?

knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations

thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.

nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid

Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?

you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so ****ing badly but i try to keep it real as well

Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly.

With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.

What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?

knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?

you still are misinterpreting. The converting people was just a joke. In fact i have complimented your knowledge and positive attitude a few times.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations

thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.

nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid

Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?

you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so ****ing badly but i try to keep it real as well

Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly.

With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.

What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?

knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..

Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?

Draft picks mean nothing if they are not bringing them into winning situations, why you think Love left mini, KG, Bosh, LBJ,i mean i could go on forever.

Even Patrick Ewing had decent players around him who had been playing together for a few yrs prior to him becoming a knick. We have no one but melo the volume shooter, and a rookie coach who has zero credibility.

Your acting like things are on the up and up because we have a couple of decent prospects. Well there's a lot of teams like that, and none have been successful without a decent roster to bring a high pick into.

Stop being naive.