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nixluva
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7/1/2015  4:46 PM
I don't want Dolan anywhere near these negotiations. As for the process, no one said Free Agency was easy or automatic. You can't force players to sign with you. All you can do is make your pitch and hope it's good enough. We've been here before. It's not surprising given our near rebuild. There's still a long way to go in this process. Phil has to stay the course and not panic.
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7/1/2015  4:47 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:The "recruiting process" is smoke and mirrors. These guys want money. Carroll wasn't recruited. They gave him more than other teams. Problem solved.

did they give him more or was it because Toronto actually looks like a good team ?

Toronto was the division winner and offered him more than any other team. It was a smart move.

Players want to play for winning teams and get their money.

Knicks have to get a guy to take a leap of faith like Amar'e did or invest in lower profile guys and strike gold.

Our profile right now is about the same as the Charlotte Hornets around the league.

I agree that Carroll made the right move ...

Amare took a leap of faith? You have to be kidding!

Here is a pic of the leap Amare took.

https://thescript.thetake.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Duck-Tales-Money-Dive.jpg

exactly.

He found the biggest idiot/sucker and he plundered/violated us

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/1/2015  4:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  4:49 PM
As a player You want to be assured the owner has your back. So his presence alone would help. He should not get himself involved in negotiations and he certainly should overrule Phil Jackson like he did to Walsh
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7/1/2015  4:51 PM
Dolan's reputation around the league can't help this team one bit in free agency.

Players talk. Players know. David Lee and Channing Frye tell stories about how Malik Rose would come up to them their rookie season and tell them to keep their heads up because this is not how the NBA is supposed to be.

I think Phil and Fish are trying to change things, but let's be real - Phil is not even in the building every day. Dolan is.

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7/1/2015  4:53 PM
We could not afford to pay FA's like Carroll the MAX
But that is why many teams MUST OVERPAY for TALENTS in order to get talent while many of us want to pay the minimum possible, they just are not realistic

I am sure Greg Monroe is worth the MAX for his skill set but with overpaying for CA and out lack of assets, saving a little from every FA could be the difference
That is why Phil Jackson wanted to give an ACTUAL pay cutt as we could build a roster around him if so....
Had he done so, we could have a REALISTIC SHOT to sign

CA
LA
Jordan

and another SG with the MLE and a solid backup PF/C as well

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7/1/2015  5:19 PM
With our need of FORMER TRIANGLE talents

Next summer,
do we even consider Kobe Bryant even for the VET MIN as he has a HUGE EGO and inability to get along with other talents with LA and Dwight Howard now reporting to be not very fond of Bryant, despite only 1 year left??

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7/1/2015  6:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  6:13 PM
IMO, unless Shved could agree to a short term deal with Knicks, we should just move on, probably even bring back Jeremy Lin if he is willing to come back for less like 3m
No other team could offer Svhed a chance to compete for a STARTING GIG or is he willing to sign a VET min deal to a team like Clippers while learning under CP3 like Darren Collison did
He can play some PG/SG, however, unless he can prove he can be a STARTER with at least average DEFENSE with his size/length, he will get BACKUP MONEY and probably more likely to earn more in Europe
With our injuries, he got a CHANCE to start, but majority of our starters last season are ALL BACKUPS on every other team


However, if he can prove that he could be consistent like he was last season for our system, he would be at least considered for 5m + to as high as 7-8m, as a backup PG/SG
Like Jamal Crawford was for the MLE type money, to a team that could contend NEXT season, with Crawford always known to be a HORRIBLE defender

Though he will need to prove himself as 12 games is even a smaller sample size to what Jeremy Lin did as a Knick
Lin needs to improve his DEFENSE, regain quickness/speed/athleticism/strength, as he dealt with injuries the past year and more and needs to do some serious training that he did prior to The Lockout as well as his other weakness's


He also needs to understand his new role with a team and play on and off the ball more effectively, as he was used as the #1 and #2 option in New York
However, although that team played the right away while lacking talent with much chemistry together, if he plays with SHOOTERS and HIGH talents that use screens on an off the ball, with ball movement, and solid defenders, he surely could help a team, as his ability to facilitate/penetrate could be used if he regains NBA shape that he wasn't in last season along with too many weak defenders with players such as Nick Young that are chuckers, while lacking ball movement


Last season, he lost confidence and without the FANS cheering for him like they once did, he was able to fully feed of that energy and the way he plays would be ideal as a backup with 3 and D talents, possibly a stretch 4 that can defend, and an ATHLETIC Center such as DeANdre JOrdan *with Shved or Lin, who made Tyson CHandler look like a dominant force in many games but Jordan is 10x better than Jordan and more athletic/stronger/younger but doesn't get that chance with Blake Griffen/CP3, and even Reddick/Jamal Crawford and sometimes Matt Barnes being used as scoring threats before Jordan

Last season,
Ed Davis *as a Tristan Thompson type roll with Tyson Chandler* and Boozer *ability to hid the mid range and score in deep post position vs backups*
IF Julias Randle didn't get hurt, he would have been a good fit with Lin with a MID RANGE and POST game, with solid rebounding instincts as well


Ed Davis and Wesley Johnson are 2 solid players IMO, if they sign to cap friendly deals

Edoh would be an under radar player at PF/C for vet min as well who I thought was a solid player on the Bucks/GS a couple years back before he was traded

NO VETS like Affalo, not worth it as he approaches 30 and struggled much last year* or David West *unless he is signing for about MLE money or less*


A vet that could play STARTER minutes holds much more weight than one that stays on the bench
That is why I liked Draymond Green, as he plays as a 10year vet though only 3 seasons as a NBA pro but a 4year college player with funamentals that many lack with 1 and dones, with work ethic, high IQ, and great defensive skills to defend 5 positions, and can REBOUND and PUSH THE TEMPO hismelf as a point forward, as well as set GREAT SCREENS for PnR's
Just like at KG when he was in his prime and when he was on The Net's, it is a HUGE difference in production, who helped anchor the DEFENSE and motivated all of his team mates but they already had solid defensive talent with rebounders as well in their prime, as well as Tom Thibs as the lead assistant and Doc Rivers as a Head Coach
As he got older even on Boston, Rhondo and Jeff Green were not the same as it was no longer KG's or Paul Pierce's team


Vets for the Vet min, and Leadership

Andre Miller *especially if we are looking to develop a PG that has the size and ability to POST UP and facilitate, maybe Grant

Delfino *under the radar* and was injured the past couple seasons but could be a Dev coach as well, especially if we are getting some more Euro's on our roster with Twolves rights to that stretch 4/SF

Caron Butler *played for The Lakers and was part of the trade for Shaq, so he may have some understanding of The Triangle, though not sure if he played for Phil Jackson but played for Kurt Rambis

Boozer solid rebounder with a VERY STRONG MID RANGE SHOT and COULD POST UP when he was young, and was an average defender till he hit his 30's and loss physical abilities as he is undersized

Richard Jefferson STILL HAS ATHELTICSM and could DUNK
KMART


Paul Pierce *2year deal for 5m or so* I am not fond of him but it seems like Phil Jackson wants veterans to help guide our youth but still able to play more than the VET MIN players


Jermaine Oneil, though would love him more if we can acquire Bobby Portis
Tyler Hansborough HUSTLE/WORK ETHIC/TOUGHNESS
Glen Baby Davis

Development coaches, assistant coaches
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Andrew Bynum/Rick Fox
Brian Shaw

Tyrone Lue, probably would HURT CLEVELAND's coaching and Blatt/Lebron's relationship, possibly making Lebron reconsider staying in Cleveland as it wouldn't be the first time he left...


Rasheed Wallace for KP, maybe even AK47
Robert Horry
Sam Cassell


Jason Kapono/Paxson/BJ armstrong as a SHOOTING coach who played for Phil Jackson as well


Ron Harper
Though Billups could be an ideal PG mentor and shooting coach, that was a SOLID RESPECTABLE leader in his prime that knows how to POST up, facilitate, control TEMPO, solid defender for PG/SG with strength and IQ, while balancing his ability to shoot and looking to facilitate very well


Pippen/Kukoc
Battier/James Posey as defensive coach for SG/SF and SF's playing PF

Horace Grant/Cartright


HAVE TO VALUE and PAY different types of Trainers especially ones with proven track records with TOP TIER TALNTES especially with some talents that are similar to the bodies/physical abilites/style we want to our young guys to develop to, some with Guards, Forwards, and BIGS


As ones as trainers for the GYM and how/what to work with, especially for someone like KP who we do not want to lose mobility/strength but to do body weight trainer with more REPS and NOT the other way around
Prventive injury/physical thereapy/accupuncture trainers and Nutrionist


As well as Anthony Davis's trainer for KP and other PROVEN trainers, like the one that works with both Steph Curry and CP3, a reason why both players are GREAT SHOOTERS as they work on this first by simulating a NBA game by getting fatigued and tired before they shoot, that is why they are capable of hitting shots towards the end of games, despite playing 40minutes + while many other talents are unable to do so when they lose their legs/get fatigued and tired

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7/1/2015  6:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  6:09 PM
Maybe someone with Twitter can TWEET Ultimate Knicks to Phil Jackson/Knick's players/Knick's reporters

I am sure at least some writers like Frank Isola *the TROLL THAT HE IS* already looks and probably posts here already for some inspiration to KNOCK THE KNICKS any chance he gets


IMO, there are some very passionate fans here that could provide a different view/perspective for The Knick's org as well as for Knick SCOUTS, doing part of the job for them already for FREE

Dolan should be part of his recruiting process

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