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For people saying these contracts are crazy, here's a visual of the salary cap over the next few years
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fishmike
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7/1/2015  3:33 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:And we are busy lowballing Monroe

There is no evidence to support that we low-balled him. The media does love to s*** all over this team for no reason though which is a reason not to come.

The guy who reported they lowballed him works for MSG. Alan Hahn.

The Knicks send out smokescreens through Alan Hahn. They had us taking Stein or Mudiay. Not in this case though. I don't see how this can be a smokescreen but just him reporting. Unless he is lying to appease the fanbase and glorify Phil since the Knicks were killed for Melo not taking less

after the draft I think its pretty clear MSG is tight. NOBODY thought we would take KP. Nobody had the THjr trade on the radar.

Whatever is going on we arent going to know until its done.

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7/1/2015  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  3:37 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
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SwishAndDish13 wrote:Even though I agree with you it doesn't mean they aren't crazy. You still need to eat the later years. People are panicking but no Knicks targets have signed yet.

It's a lot easier to eat a $15M season when the cap is $109M. That's like 13% of the cap. 13% of a 50M cap is $6.5M, cap was $50M two or three years ago. People are looking at these deals the wrong way.

The cap is not going below $100M for the duration of this tv contract.

Agreed, but we haven't lost anybody yet. I have been in full support of max or near max for DJ. I am more concerned about duration with somebody like Harris (may not work out) or Matthews (injury) then the dollars.

If we lose out on Monroe and West then in hindsight we would've been better off maxing out Carroll and piece mealing the rest of the roster together and he would've came here over Toronto
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7/1/2015  3:44 PM
The Y axis is distorted by starting at 40 mil instead of 0.
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7/1/2015  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  3:48 PM
fishmike wrote:Well... at least Bonn, guns, rainman and friends got to cry for one year about Melo's contract before it becomes a run of the mill NBA contract. Suddenly if we whiff in FA, and Melo plays well to start the season having him locked into 4 years starting at $23mm is a nice asset after all.

That doesn't help us this year and next. We could've used the extra $5mil if Melo took less or the extra $24m if we didn't resign him. And other good teams will have ample cap space as we deal with an aging Melo
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7/1/2015  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  4:01 PM
fishmike wrote:Well... at least Bonn, guns, rainman and friends got to cry for one year about Melo's contract before it becomes a run of the mill NBA contract. Suddenly if we whiff in FA, and Melo plays well to start the season having him locked into 4 years starting at $23mm is a nice asset after all.

Nope. I don't want Melo at this price for any of his years. By his sixteenth season, he'll still be taking up 20% of the cap. Given how far that is and how uncommon it is for a player to be very good in year 16, I would prefer to have him taking up 0% of the cap by then. Given Melo's years and minutes of wear and tear and his injury, I would commit maybe 70 mil to him if I were running a championship contending team and he was the final piece. With a rebuilding team, I wouldn't commit a penny to him. It just doesn't fit.
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7/1/2015  3:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2015  3:52 PM
We wouldnt be lowballing Monroe with an extra $5mil and we would be able to play Affalo and maybe West
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7/1/2015  4:03 PM
gunsnewing wrote:We wouldnt be lowballing Monroe with an extra $5mil and we would be able to play Affalo and maybe West
well thats the upside because Affalo sucks and West is 100 years old. Yawn
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7/1/2015  4:27 PM
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We wouldnt be lowballing Monroe with an extra $5mil and we would be able to play Affalo and maybe West
well thats the upside because Affalo sucks and West is 100 years old. Yawn

the upside is it protects Dolan and Phil from themselves
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7/1/2015  4:27 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:The Y axis is distorted by starting at 40 mil instead of 0.

LOL! I enjoyed this comment. Great stuff
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7/1/2015  4:29 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:The Y axis is distorted by starting at 40 mil instead of 0.

The cap is still going up to $109M in 2017 and will stay up in that range for the following seven years based on the TV deal. Y Axis or no.

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7/1/2015  4:44 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:The Y axis is distorted by starting at 40 mil instead of 0.

The cap is still going up to $109M in 2017 and will stay up in that range for the following seven years based on the TV deal. Y Axis or no.


Sure, if there is no lockout and no change, then the cap will go up by about 50%. It's still dramatic but not as dramatic as the deceptive graph makes it look.
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