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yellowboy90
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6/30/2015  2:50 PM
mreinman wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:There is no way on earth the Spurs take Calderon and a measly 2nd rounder for an actually valuable piece with a very decent contract in Splitter. No frigging way.

why not? everyone else lets us take advantage of them

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6/30/2015  3:04 PM
mreinman wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:There is no way on earth the Spurs take Calderon and a measly 2nd rounder for an actually valuable piece with a very decent contract in Splitter. No frigging way.

why not? everyone else lets us take advantage of them

and who exactly will place calderon at pg

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6/30/2015  3:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2015  3:36 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:This does look like a chance to get Joseph out of SA though.

Looks like the Spurs will want to keep Joseph.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/30/8871997/brendan-haywood-contract-trade-spurs-nba-free-agency

The question is what players the Spurs could send to Cleveland in exchange. Tiago Splitter ($8.5 million next year) and Boris Diaw ($7.5 million) are the two players San Antonio would most like to trade, but Cleveland will have a deep frontcourt already assuming Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson return. Cleveland is reportedly seeking another ball-handler, so Patty Mills and his $3.5 million salary could be interesting to them. The Cavaliers could theoretically take Mills and either Diaw or Splitter off San Antonio's hands, though they may ask for additional assets from the Spurs for helping them out. A third team could be added to take Diaw or Splitter and leave Cleveland with Mills and perhaps another player.
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6/30/2015  4:15 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
TPercy wrote:Splitter is a good defender?

according to the advanced stuff here, he is. he's also a good offensive player and his skills would fit the triangle.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01.html

Splitter's defensive stats on 82games aren't better than Greg Monroe's numbers. At best, you can say that Splitter gives up about as much as he produces: http://www.
According to Basketball reference, he scores 117 and gives up 101 points per 100 possessions. You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.
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6/30/2015  4:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
According to Basketball reference, he scores 117 and gives up 101 points per 100 possessions. You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.

With the Spurs, it is hard to separate when the team is just playing well vs the individual player. I worry about this with both Green and Splitter.

That said, $8.5M for a good starting center is great value.


It's just an option if we get the sense we are gonna whiff in FA.


I have a weird feeling the Knicks will be in the running in the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes though - and I would absolutely sign DeAndre and figure out the rest later.

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6/30/2015  4:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2015  4:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
According to Basketball reference, he scores 117 and gives up 101 points per 100 possessions. You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.

With the Spurs, it is hard to separate when the team is just playing well vs the individual player. I worry about this with both Green and Splitter.

That said, $8.5M for a good starting center is great value.


It's just an option if we get the sense we are gonna whiff in FA.


I have a weird feeling the Knicks will be in the running in the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes though - and I would absolutely sign DeAndre and figure out the rest later.


How do you know that? I'm not saying it's wrong but it's just a hypothesis. It's not like there's a long list of players who got much worse after leaving the Spurs.
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6/30/2015  4:28 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
According to Basketball reference, he scores 117 and gives up 101 points per 100 possessions. You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.

With the Spurs, it is hard to separate when the team is just playing well vs the individual player. I worry about this with both Green and Splitter.

That said, $8.5M for a good starting center is great value.


It's just an option if we get the sense we are gonna whiff in FA.


I have a weird feeling the Knicks will be in the running in the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes though - and I would absolutely sign DeAndre and figure out the rest later.

yea... I think we see something or someone we didnt see coming. It might be some Euro guys we have never heard of, might be a big fish like Jordan.

I view Jordan as everything we wanted Tyson to be. Love. He's young.. my god imagine him and KP in a couple years

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6/30/2015  4:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
According to Basketball reference, he scores 117 and gives up 101 points per 100 possessions. You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.

With the Spurs, it is hard to separate when the team is just playing well vs the individual player. I worry about this with both Green and Splitter.

That said, $8.5M for a good starting center is great value.


It's just an option if we get the sense we are gonna whiff in FA.


I have a weird feeling the Knicks will be in the running in the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes though - and I would absolutely sign DeAndre and figure out the rest later.


How do you know that? I'm not saying it's wrong but it's just a hypothesis. It's not like there's a long list of players who got much worse after leaving the Spurs.

Not a huge list, but I think of guys like Gary Neal.

I think the Spurs players benefit a lot from playing in a great system for a great coach alongside three hall of famers. Stats like plus/minus aren't going to be very telling for a player who is sharing the court with Duncan, Parker, Manu Ginobili.

I still think Splitter is good and it is an avenue I'd pursue if some of the other options don't work out.

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6/30/2015  4:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2015  4:41 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.

That's just one part of it. The other side is that he's always hurt. He's alright for his price tag, but it would be tough going into any season depending on Splatter as a starter. He's almost guaranteed to miss 20 games a year.

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6/30/2015  4:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2015  4:42 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
According to Basketball reference, he scores 117 and gives up 101 points per 100 possessions. You're right 82games has him more as a break even player though in terms of own vs. opp PER. It has him with a very good +/- though. Overall, I think he's a big steal at $8 mil per.

With the Spurs, it is hard to separate when the team is just playing well vs the individual player. I worry about this with both Green and Splitter.

That said, $8.5M for a good starting center is great value.


It's just an option if we get the sense we are gonna whiff in FA.


I have a weird feeling the Knicks will be in the running in the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes though - and I would absolutely sign DeAndre and figure out the rest later.


How do you know that? I'm not saying it's wrong but it's just a hypothesis. It's not like there's a long list of players who got much worse after leaving the Spurs.

Not a huge list, but I think of guys like Gary Neal.

I think the Spurs players benefit a lot from playing in a great system for a great coach alongside three hall of famers. Stats like plus/minus aren't going to be very telling for a player who is sharing the court with Duncan, Parker, Manu Ginobili.

I still think Splitter is good and it is an avenue I'd pursue if some of the other options don't work out.


Grabbing him for 8 mil is an avenue I'd pursue regardless of how other things turn out. He has 2 years, 16.7 mil on his contract. It's about as low risk a gamble as there is. It's less of a gamble than 60 mil on Monroe, though we'd have cap room to add both anyway
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6/30/2015  4:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
That's just one part of it. The other side is that he's always hurt. He's alright for his price tag, but it would be tough going into any season depending on Splatter as a starter. He's almost guaranteed to miss 20 games a year.

I agree... though my question was more along the lines of - would you trade Calderon to Sixers for Splitter. I think I might, depending on what happens with DeAndre Jordan and David West.

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6/30/2015  4:41 PM
Spurs players are gonna be in high demand...

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6/30/2015  4:46 PM
crzymdups wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
That's just one part of it. The other side is that he's always hurt. He's alright for his price tag, but it would be tough going into any season depending on Splatter as a starter. He's almost guaranteed to miss 20 games a year.

I agree... though my question was more along the lines of - would you trade Calderon to Sixers for Splitter. I think I might, depending on what happens with DeAndre Jordan and David West.


I'd probably want the injury prone big over the aging, injury prone point guard.
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