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nixluva
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6/30/2015  1:41 PM
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nixluva wrote:It's not about Bargs specifically but rather the role he was playing in the offense. KP can do all of the things we saw Bargs doing and more. Bargs isn't a player stuck in the low post. He moves around and can be effective from anywhere on the floor. KP will likely do the same thing. He'll move around, catch and shoot, High Post, PnR, flash to the basket. He should be able to do a lot even in his rookie year just by being mobile and using his jumper and scoring at the basket on cuts.

yeah but anything Bargs just hurts our eyes

I know My hope is that people will just look at the areas of the floor and the plays and imagine KP in those same spots. It's funny how reactive people are to Bargs. IMO if he can score 25 on 2 occasions in this offense it portends well for KP in this offense in the same spots. His being skinny won't effect his ability to be productive in the relatively non physical role Bargs had. Whenever I read people trying to figure out how KP will be used, I have to say it's not a mystery cuz we already know what his role will be. In the Triangle roles are pretty defined. Bargs, the versatile bigman role opposite a low post big is pretty clear. Down the line KP can post more like Pau. For now I think he'll play more like Bargs and face up more.

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6/30/2015  2:21 PM
I think a number of folks around here included some of these comments in our KP threads, but its nice to see them all combined, and there are some I had not seen until now.

Kind of puts to rest the attacks directed against him which seemed to indicate that the early June pro-day and its 6 minute video was the only knowledge scouts and GMs had of him.

The info was out there, but people cam into the draft with preconceived notions about who should be picked where, an it seemed that no amount of proof could change their minds on the matter- especially the train of though which said all we know about the guy was the scripted workout he did in Las Vegas.

Unfortunately, a lot of local radio sports hosts. reporters, and other commentators failed to do their own due diligence and simply relied on others to give them the sound bites they put out on air.

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6/30/2015  2:29 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:I think a number of folks around here included some of these comments in our KP threads, but its nice to see them all combined, and there are some I had not seen until now.

Kind of puts to rest the attacks directed against him which seemed to indicate that the early June pro-day and its 6 minute video was the only knowledge scouts and GMs had of him.

The info was out there, but people cam into the draft with preconceived notions about who should be picked where, an it seemed that no amount of proof could change their minds on the matter- especially the train of though which said all we know about the guy was the scripted workout he did in Las Vegas.

Unfortunately, a lot of local radio sports hosts. reporters, and other commentators failed to do their own due diligence and simply relied on others to give them the sound bites they put out on air.


It's evident in the degree of vitriol in SAS and Adam Schein's take on drafting KP. Clearly they don't really know anything about KP. I know I didn't originally have enough info but since the draft there was ample opportunity to read quotes and look at video and to get a better idea of what this kid is capable of even now. Being able to score from different areas of the floor means he's going to be able to be productive even early in his career. There's a role for him in this offense.

KP is tougher than I thought he was based on early reports of him. They made it seem like he was a pushover. His playing in the ACB was at least as good as the NCAA if not better. I didn't know his English was so good and that he was very up on American culture. With all the new info it makes it a much better feeling about drafting him.

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6/30/2015  3:01 PM
technomaster wrote:The thing to keep an eye on about him is his assist average. Last year, in 21.4mpg, he averaged only .5 assists/gm. Based on game footage, he seems to move w/o the ball and has a sense of where his teammates are, but the total is pretty low.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html

Our 2nd round pick & KP's teammate Hernangomez averaged 19.7mpg and bested him with .6apg.

I took a look at the team's stats, and the highest assist guy averaged 3.7 apg (Ben Woodside, american player who played on North Dakota State from 2005-2009), so figure low scoring, lots of ball movement so that no single player dominated the assists.

he's not getting assists in the triangle unless they place him at the elbow or in the midpost like gasol. he may eventually develop a post game but for now he has a 38" vertical and a 7'6" wingspan.

i think we may have someone in a knicks uniform finally.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/30/2015  3:21 PM
dk7th wrote:
technomaster wrote:The thing to keep an eye on about him is his assist average. Last year, in 21.4mpg, he averaged only .5 assists/gm. Based on game footage, he seems to move w/o the ball and has a sense of where his teammates are, but the total is pretty low.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html

Our 2nd round pick & KP's teammate Hernangomez averaged 19.7mpg and bested him with .6apg.

I took a look at the team's stats, and the highest assist guy averaged 3.7 apg (Ben Woodside, american player who played on North Dakota State from 2005-2009), so figure low scoring, lots of ball movement so that no single player dominated the assists.

he's not getting assists in the triangle unless they place him at the elbow or in the midpost like gasol. he may eventually develop a post game but for now he has a 38" vertical and a 7'6" wingspan.

i think we may have someone in a knicks uniform finally.


I've actually seen some plays where he looked like a pretty decent passer.

One was actually a turnover, where his teammate should have cut to the basket-the right move at the time, but didn't. KP anticipated the cut and made the pass, but it was a turnover because he guy was just standing in the lane waiting for something and did not think to cut.

I think he will be a better passer than some think if put into the right situations, but you just have to wait and see on that.

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6/30/2015  3:25 PM
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nixluva wrote:KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.

so i watched the game on NBATV last night Bulls/Jazz forgot what yr it was, but brian williams was the center, and it's increasingly difficult to run this triangle without and official post player. Not sure KP is that kind of player, i see him more like pipen

Look at what Bynum and Pau did for better reference. Imagine this kid in the high post. At 7-2 he'll shot right over you. Come out and get him and he has the handle to move or he'll get fouled. Bargs has this ability.

In time he'll be able to play the low post and be the monster. Look at Kukoc

I really don't remember kukoc ever playing in the post, but if he develops a post fadaway shot, forgettaboutit

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6/30/2015  3:42 PM
I think KP already shows that he knows his shot can't be easily blocked. So he's not afraid of shooting over defenders. He's got a nice high release and has the skills to do fade aways already. You can't just stick a small on KP cuz he's too skilled and will score over the top of him. When smalls try to get up under him KP does a good job of sealing them off and posting them up. Bigs won't want to chase him away from the basket either.
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6/30/2015  4:18 PM
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Nalod wrote:
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nixluva wrote:KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.

so i watched the game on NBATV last night Bulls/Jazz forgot what yr it was, but brian williams was the center, and it's increasingly difficult to run this triangle without and official post player. Not sure KP is that kind of player, i see him more like pipen

Look at what Bynum and Pau did for better reference. Imagine this kid in the high post. At 7-2 he'll shot right over you. Come out and get him and he has the handle to move or he'll get fouled. Bargs has this ability.

In time he'll be able to play the low post and be the monster. Look at Kukoc

I really don't remember kukoc ever playing in the post, but if he develops a post fadaway shot, forgettaboutit

No, but Im thinking KP can play some three and rain in some long shots as he can shoot over most players and be camped out there.

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6/30/2015  4:52 PM
Very encouraging.
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6/30/2015  6:40 PM
Awesome stuff Zings passion for the game and work ethic is what assures me he will not be another Bargnani, Tskitzvili or Darko
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6/30/2015  8:14 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.

so i watched the game on NBATV last night Bulls/Jazz forgot what yr it was, but brian williams was the center, and it's increasingly difficult to run this triangle without and official post player. Not sure KP is that kind of player, i see him more like pipen

Look at what Bynum and Pau did for better reference. Imagine this kid in the high post. At 7-2 he'll shot right over you. Come out and get him and he has the handle to move or he'll get fouled. Bargs has this ability.

In time he'll be able to play the low post and be the monster. Look at Kukoc

I really don't remember kukoc ever playing in the post, but if he develops a post fadaway shot, forgettaboutit

No, but Im thinking KP can play some three and rain in some long shots as he can shoot over most players and be camped out there.


Hard for me to imagine him running around after NBA quality 3's for an extended period of time.

More than quick enough at the 4, and he has enough size and wingspan to make up for his lack of strength if they try to back him down.

The OP also had something that Sanders said about how KP's worked on his man/man D in the post, and that its not easy to push him around down there any more.

Just think you would lose a lot of what he brings to the table if the is chasing around after a 3.

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