nixluva wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think the Knicks should pass. Menlo + Monroe does not make a championship core. I would even have doubts about adding a 20 pts per game scorer from a crap team at the max( remember Tony Campbell? Charles Smith?) A 16 pts scorer without toughness and attitude? No way!

You have to take each case on it's own. Monroe is a legit NBA big. He can score inside and pass out of the post, which is a huge need in the Triangle. Monroe is also a good rebounder. Basically he's one of the better bigs in the league outside of the top guys like Gasol and LMA. He would most surely help this team with his production. We would help him by having him in a better role for his skills. He should actually perform BETTER in NY than he did in Detroit. Their style of play didn't benefit him as much as it could.

J.Grant/J.Calderon
Gallo/Shved
Melo
D.West/K.Porzingis
G.Monroe
I think it definitely is and then next summer when the cap goes up we can add a big name or a couple of good names.

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:

blkexec wrote:What is he suppose to say? "I want to go to a team ready to lose?"

lol. exactly

He doesn't have to raise the issue at all, unless a reporter asked him a multiple choice question about whether he wants to go to a team that's a) ready to win or b) ready to lose

Exactly

callmened wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think the Knicks should pass. Menlo + Monroe does not make a championship core. I would even have doubts about adding a 20 pts per game scorer from a crap team at the max( remember Tony Campbell? Charles Smith?) A 16 pts scorer without toughness and attitude? No way!

You have to take each case on it's own. Monroe is a legit NBA big. He can score inside and pass out of the post, which is a huge need in the Triangle. Monroe is also a good rebounder. Basically he's one of the better bigs in the league outside of the top guys like Gasol and LMA. He would most surely help this team with his production. We would help him by having him in a better role for his skills. He should actually perform BETTER in NY than he did in Detroit. Their style of play didn't benefit him as much as it could.

Is this team enough to make the playoffs next year even if it's the 8th seed?

J.Grant/J.Calderon
Gallo/Shved
Melo
D.West/K.Porzingis
G.Monroe
I think it definitely is and then next summer when the cap goes up we can add a big name or a couple of good names.

Playoffs!?!? (Jim Mora voice). lol

this is a rebuilding team disguised as a WIN NOW team due to the presence of Melo. will they make the playoffs? who knows the celtics did but will they be a good team? doubt it

Didn't ask all that. If they can just make the playoffs next year it will make them that much more attractive to other free agents. That's the only reason I was asking that. I know they won't be great but that team I posted along with some veterans that we can get for the vet min contracts would be a decent team in the east.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think the Knicks should pass. Menlo + Monroe does not make a championship core. I would even have doubts about adding a 20 pts per game scorer from a crap team at the max( remember Tony Campbell? Charles Smith?) A 16 pts scorer without toughness and attitude? No way!

You have to take each case on it's own. Monroe is a legit NBA big. He can score inside and pass out of the post, which is a huge need in the Triangle. Monroe is also a good rebounder. Basically he's one of the better bigs in the league outside of the top guys like Gasol and LMA. He would most surely help this team with his production. We would help him by having him in a better role for his skills. He should actually perform BETTER in NY than he did in Detroit. Their style of play didn't benefit him as much as it could.

Is this team enough to make the playoffs next year even if it's the 8th seed?

J.Grant/J.Calderon
Gallo/Shved
Melo
D.West/K.Porzingis
G.Monroe
I think it definitely is and then next summer when the cap goes up we can add a big name or a couple of good names.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think the Knicks should pass. Menlo + Monroe does not make a championship core. I would even have doubts about adding a 20 pts per game scorer from a crap team at the max( remember Tony Campbell? Charles Smith?) A 16 pts scorer without toughness and attitude? No way!

You have to take each case on it's own. Monroe is a legit NBA big. He can score inside and pass out of the post, which is a huge need in the Triangle. Monroe is also a good rebounder. Basically he's one of the better bigs in the league outside of the top guys like Gasol and LMA. He would most surely help this team with his production. We would help him by having him in a better role for his skills. He should actually perform BETTER in NY than he did in Detroit. Their style of play didn't benefit him as much as it could.

Is this team enough to make the playoffs next year even if it's the 8th seed?

J.Grant/J.Calderon
Gallo/Shved
Melo
D.West/K.Porzingis
G.Monroe
I think it definitely is and then next summer when the cap goes up we can add a big name or a couple of good names.

Might need to find another SG somewhere, but i would be very happy with this overhaul this summer.

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:This team is not that far out of the East playoff race as it might seem. This is the NBA. It doesn't take much to have a half decent team. The reason Phil would be interested in Monroe is that he would give the team something they lacked last year. He's a true low post center who CAN PASS and REBOUND. That is a huge asset for success in the Triangle. He can't solve every single problem the Knicks have. There are only a couple of bigs who can and we don't have much of a shot at either of them. However, if we can lock up Monroe that fills a major gap in the roster and leaves fewer holes than we started with.

The old saying is "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good". We most likely can't get the perfect big but a good big is a major upgrade.

i agree. this is could be a playoff team only becuase the east is so horribly bad. with that said i dont expect to contend anytime soon. even if we made the playoffs we would be annihilated in the 1st rd. but i do agree, its a stepping point in this rebuilding process. at least you can say to free agents - "hey we doubled our win total from 17 to 34 and made the playoffs - come join us"

I think people sometimes overthink things in terms of wins and losses. This team often lost games early on by very small margins. Just being able to get more efficient baskets would make a huge difference. Being able to get a few more fast breaks or FT's, fewer TO's etc. It's often very small things.

By CHRIS HERRING
Dec. 1, 2014 8:35 p.m. ET

When coach Derek Fisher said that the playoffs were a realistic destination for the Knicks this season, some of his belief was predicated on the notion that the team would execute better in close games than it did last year under his predecessor, Mike Woodson.

“We lost 15 games by five points or less [last year],” Fisher said. “We couldn’t get stops at the end of games.”

Perhaps there’s another reason why the Knicks could make the playoffs this year, because in spite of Fisher’s preseason observation, the Knicks have struggled in close games even more this season than they did under Woodson.

Of New York’s 18 games thus far, a league-high 11 have been separated by five points or fewer entering the final five minutes of play. The Knicks have gone 2-9 in those games, giving them more losses in close games than any other team in the NBA.

Unlike the past two years, Carmelo Anthony’s fatigued, late-game isolations aren’t the problem. In fact, Anthony’s 64.7% field-goal percentage (11-of-17) in the clutch is the league’s highest among the 20 players who have taken at least 15 shots in those situations, according to NBA.com.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/knicks-are-running-out-of-crunch-time-1417484136

I think it is possible to put together a better performing team that could be in the playoff fight next year. Just building a quality starting 5 that won't get off to the HORRID starts we saw last year would make a huge difference. It's gonna be a tough job for Phil to get the job done unless he can somehow persuade Marc Gasol to come. Outside of that it's a lot of lesser players who have flaws like Monroe.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think the Knicks should pass. Menlo + Monroe does not make a championship core. I would even have doubts about adding a 20 pts per game scorer from a crap team at the max( remember Tony Campbell? Charles Smith?) A 16 pts scorer without toughness and attitude? No way!

Your right, Melo and monroe is not the championship core. But, before you get there you have to find your way to "Respectable Street" and Monroe is a step in the right direction.
One might even say the path to contendership is an asset trade for Melo.

This will take a while.

+1. Exactly my thoughts.

+1. Monroe is not my first choice but he is fairly high on my list.

The Melo and Monroe lineup will be atrocious on interior defense. That's my main reason for not wanting Monroe. Plus he would clog the paint, why do people keeping saying that would work well with Melo?

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think the Knicks should pass. Menlo + Monroe does not make a championship core. I would even have doubts about adding a 20 pts per game scorer from a crap team at the max( remember Tony Campbell? Charles Smith?) A 16 pts scorer without toughness and attitude? No way!

Your right, Melo and monroe is not the championship core. But, before you get there you have to find your way to "Respectable Street" and Monroe is a step in the right direction.
One might even say the path to contendership is an asset trade for Melo.

This will take a while.

+1. Exactly my thoughts.

+1. Monroe is not my first choice but he is fairly high on my list.

The Melo and Monroe lineup will be atrocious on interior defense. That's my main reason for not wanting Monroe. Plus he would clog the paint, why do people keeping saying that would work well with Melo?

Monroe would clog the paint but he is only one player. Plus he is a good rebounder and post passer. The other big man would be a stretch 4. David West would offer post defense and the ability to stretch the floor a little bit. Porzingis developing into the star stretch 4 is the ultimate goal of course. Monroe is not a bad man to man defender, he is average. Just not a shot blocker. Melo would remain a 3 if Monroe came to NY. Obviously if you want to put Melo at the 4 then Monroe probably isn't the right fit. But with Porzingis now in the mix, Melo is likely a 3 for the rest of his career. Monroe, Melo, and a defensive minded 4 who can also stretch the floor like David West is a good mix.

ONE THING Knick's and Dolan will do is continue to overpay for you, a reason why many would come here, especially if you can deliver a RING or MORE
And there are 2-3 contracts left if he is willing to come here, NOT something ALL TEAMS willing to do, even look at Billionare Mark Cuban, unlike Dolan....

So if Jordan and Greg Monroe do come here, along with these Euro's, especially if we can make some trades with either Calderon or CA, we could better spend that money
For Jordan he is only 26 and same for him, take slightly less, and Phil Jackson should convince Dolan to be part of the recruiting process and fully utilize future business opportunities and use the MSG network, and help them build a branding here in NYC with Dolan's network/power, along with LIFE AFTER BASKETBALL for a guaranteed job as well...

Both players are still YOUNG

PF/C
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Both Justin Hamilton and Bizmack Biyombo are UFA's, with one being more DEFENSIVE and one being more OFFENSIVE, both of which are ROLE PLAYERS and could be solid additions, depending on how we fill out the roster