Clean wrote:The most amazing thing I have seen from some of the highlights so far is him running off screens like Ray Allen and hitting the 3 after. What big 4 or 5 will be able to chase him off screens? If this kid can reach his potential it could be a game changer.

This is why I don't understand the complaints. Everybody is saying he's 2-3 years away....away from what? Being a superstar? Yes.....But he will contribute next year with this catch and shoot jumper alone. And I believe after the All Star break, he will be a legit option as a small ball lineup, with him at the 5 and Melo at the 4.

He has the right attitude and personality to make it in NY. And I think current Knick fans are more patient than in the past, which is going to help KP's growth. I'm not worried about him, he will be an impact player on both ends in the near future.

But I am worried about over paying Monroe. And how can we add West and Carrol (or some SG / SF) which is the position we need to fill. I like west because he reminds me of the 90's knicks and pacers with Dale Davis and Charles Oakley. We need that veteran leadership more than you think, even at 35 yrs old. You see what Kmart and Camby did for this team. Melo needs vets around him to make him a complete player. I do like Monroe's age, but not sure he's worth soaking up our cap, even with the cap increase next year. I just never been a fan of his, but unfortunately he might be our only option at center, as far as big names.

Personally, I'll take a roll player at center.....When you have a 7'3 PF in the game, he's going to make people think twice about going to the hole.....All guards will be looking for that flying bird coming from behind. That hesitation will be enough for any average center or guard to catchup and play defense. We just need a passing big who can hit a jumper or two and a few free throws. Don't need a superstar.

FistOfOakley wrote:i don't think he needs to get that much bigger... he just needs to get a lot tougher and stronger... a lot of the super tall guys have seen a ton of injuries so i'd worry if he got to be over 250...

yao ming, ilgauskas, smits, sabonis, mark eaton, ralph sampson all had issues with their lower bodies... and all except for sampson was heavy... he's a little shorter than all of them so he's not doomed...

if he can stay in the 230-240 range i'd be more optimistic about his long term health...

he just needs to get a lot stronger and tougher.. his core looks very weak so a lot of body weight exercises like yoga with some lifting mixed in would do him good... you can survive as a skinny guy if you know how to mix it up in the paint... guys like bosh, anthony davis and garnett are really good at positioning themselves and going after the ball... he's just not very experienced or good at that yet...

i'm not sure how good he'll ever be at rebounding but i don't think adding 30lbs is the answer...

A balanced body is key where weight distribution is even so there is no compensation. At 19 your natural testosterone is at peak which gives guys the ability to put on weight and power easily and quickly. Body symmetry combined with increases in core strength added flexibility is key

I see a kid that should remain light on his feet but just get stronger. We don't want him to gain so much weight that he slows down. Of course he's got a long way to go before that happens.

nixluva wrote:Here is the full shooting workout for KP. You have to go to Youtube but it's pretty impressive. KP wasn't happy with this performance which says a lot about him. He felt it wasn't his best shooting performance.

After all the videos on this guy I watched it has become clear to me that this was the best pick for us at 4. There is no way you pass on a player with this amount of potential. While he may not reach his potential until year 3 or 4, I think he can contribute now. Melo will attract so much attention that Kristaps Porzingis can hit the shots bargs missed.

Clean wrote:

nixluva wrote:Here is the full shooting workout for KP. You have to go to Youtube but it's pretty impressive. KP wasn't happy with this performance which says a lot about him. He felt it wasn't his best shooting performance.

After all the videos on this guy I watched it has become clear to me that this was the best pick for us at 4. There is no way you pass on a player with this amount of potential. While he may not reach his potential until year 3 or 4, I think he can contribute now. Melo will attract so much attention that Kristaps Porzingis can hit the shots bargs missed.

I don't want kp as a spot up shooter. I want him to follow the trole model of Adavis and NOT shoot 3 s. Mid Range to post that's it. Fts I want at 82%+

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Clean wrote:

nixluva wrote:Here is the full shooting workout for KP. You have to go to Youtube but it's pretty impressive. KP wasn't happy with this performance which says a lot about him. He felt it wasn't his best shooting performance.

After all the videos on this guy I watched it has become clear to me that this was the best pick for us at 4. There is no way you pass on a player with this amount of potential. While he may not reach his potential until year 3 or 4, I think he can contribute now. Melo will attract so much attention that Kristaps Porzingis can hit the shots bargs missed.

I don't want kp as a spot up shooter. I want him to follow the trole model of Adavis and NOT shoot 3 s. Mid Range to post that's it. Fts I want at 82%+

Pau Gasol
Dirk
KG
Anthony Davis *especially by year 3* and a BIGGER more skilled young AK47 on HELP DEFENSE

Low side

a more versatile Gortat/Bigger AK47, with LEGIT 3pt range *unlike AB, just pump fakes and incosistent from downtown, midrange game, deep/mid post, and able to dribble and finish with his mobility/athleticism/length/ and catch LOBS like AD

And NixLuva, I know you were very high on WCS, thoughts on Jordan?
I really hope we make a GREAT PITCH to DeANDRE Jordan and asks his thoughts on Aminu who was drafted by The Clippers

If we can acquire D Jordan, 26years old, this summer for about about 17.5m-18m starting salary, with a 4 year and player option, I could see The Knick's keeping him for an additional 2, even 3 contracts, especially if he delivers a Championship for us
I do not think money is a HUGE issue for him, with Clippers willing to offer him the max 5year deal already, he is still seeking other options for a bigger role and maybe even building a more marketable brand for himself for an expanded role, NYK's would be PERFECT for him and DJ's impact would be bigger than any FA outside of Lebron James who might even reconsider joining us if CA took less money and maybe if things to not turn out well in another season, he might even join us NEXT SUMMER in 2017 if we show we are LEGIT contenders and able to execute The Triangle as LBJ is chasing Titles and $$$ to go with his BFF and is a strong believer in a team that is DEFENSE first

With the addition of Jordan, I believe we could be a TOP DEFENSIVE TEAM 4 DEFENSIVE team in the East, as it would be much easier to build a defensive scheme with him
Easily would be the #1 Center in the East, possibly DPOY utilizing the energy in the Garden, becoming a fan favorite with his energy easily with his DEFENSE/DUNKS/BLOCKS/TOUGHNESS that we lack

While Blake Griffen was out, DJ played a much bigger role on OFFENSE and played even better DEFENSE
He rarely fouls out as well, despite challenging EVERY SHOT

With 4 straight 20pts + 20rebs game with some blocks/steals and ASSIST, I believe he will be ready for a expanded role

For the same reasons you believed that WCS would be better in the Triangle, I believe Jordan could continue to get better with more touches as well, who is only 26, with 8 seasons in him while his first 2 seasons he didn't play much

WE NEED TO WOW! Him with our presentation and show we are dedicated in expanding his role and spending the money for trainers/development coaches to help Jordan achieve that with his work ethic
He could be our Bill Russell and Batman of Gotham *Jordan is a HUGE Batman fan*
I extremely value his work ethic and think he will be infectious, especially with our young guys both on and off the court, in addition to in the gym

However, EVERY YEAR Jordan seems to improve his

Strength
Athleticism
Mobility/SHOT BLOCKING/ DEFENSE whether 1v1 or/and HELP DEFENSE

He has great work ethic and despite his poor FT shooting this year, he really improved his shooting form/technique
Somethings he can pass over to the development of KP who also has a great work ethic
We want him to be the mentor to KP as "his rook"
Along with ONE OF OUR TEAM CAPTAIN as the leader of our DEFENSE and Defensive Anchor for the next decade +
Dolan should be there, even sell him a vision with our franchise together, for LIFE AFTER BASKETBALL, as he will be part of our franchise for a future job when he is ready to retire, along with business opportunities and benefits of owning a TV Network/MSG

With the addition of him, I believe it will be MUCH Easier for us to Target FA's, whether ALL STAR's, lower tier talents, and vet min talent, all willing to take less because of his capabilities to restore Gotham

Not only do I see Jordan as a great defender/rebounder but ready to contribute as a LEADER, DEFENSIVE ANCHOR/DPOY, and we can surround him with 3&D type talent and contend for a play offs this upcoming season with him but with the development of KP, would be a perfect FIT with us, as we continue to develop with Jordan's OFFENSIVE game as we will get development coaches to work on his OFF game as he will get 1v1 opportunities and get double teams down low because of his rare physical abilities which he was under utilized with CP3, Blake Griffen, and even Jamal Crawford/REddick/Barnes getting most of the OFF touches over him

While we do not have CP3, we have added Grant who has great athleticism/size and play making abilities, more importantly the system would benefit our entire roster with his addition, along with his defensive abilities
I can really see him even adding a mid range game to his shot and will get another SHOT BLOCKING/REbounding BIG PF to compliment him, as well as stretch 4 in KP's as he develops to be our future with Jordan
We know Dallas is his hometown but Dirk is approaching 40, while we have a HIGH CHARACTER/HIGH WORK ETHIC talent in KP that has skills of Dirk/Pau Gasol/KG and a taller Anthony Davis in the making

Whether we make some minor changes or at worse stretch Calderon *which I prefer not to and would rather try to trade him, possibly forcing a sign a trade with Clippers if Jordan forces his way here*
Would easily give up a future 1st rounder with

Calderon *for their need in a backup PG, along with Shved/Larkin??*
Early
Cole Aldrich and Acey in Sign and trades *could be partial guaranteed and waived*
AB?? As they need a stretch 4/5 after Hawes didn't work out for them,
150% rule
1 future 1st rounder

Would also use another 1st rounder to acquire young talents on Twolves roster like Shabazz Muhumadda/Dieng/Budinger *expiring* if we acquire DJ using our cast offs like Cole Aldrich/Acey in sign and trades and partial guarantees and probably cut to save Twolves or another team money, like Nuggets as well
So use we can start building chemistry on our roster this year and possibly persuade some TOP TIER FA's to join us next summer when the cap rises as we would be able to make the play offs if we add DJ and other talents, think DMO *Houston* would be perfect as well

Bucks could be interesting who have said to be willing to part with MCW and Henson, though I would much prefer Giannes to pair with his brother Thanasis...
Think Jason Kidd realizes unless MCW or Giannes develops their 3pt shot a lot, it would be hard to play both of them together...

If we can not trade Calderon/stretching Calderon *if we able to sign DJ, it would allow us to contend, even hide CA's weakness's
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If we stretch, we would still have enough to offer a NEAR max contract to Greg Monroe, while giving KP time to develop and with them being our future PF and Center's of our future
Not needing Jordan/Monroe/KP to play 40minutes a game to preserve their careers

Would probably be enough to offer Millsap a contract if we did so while probably moving Early as well if needed...

IF LA Clippers refuse to trade with us,
Still with Cole Aldrich or Acey's early BIRD RIGHTS we can go over the cap for the FULL MLE of about 6m and raises to utilize as well,
As well as Scvhed/Larkin as they need a backup PG, along with a SF like Early, G/F like Ledo

maybe dividing it in 2 for Aminu/Wesley Johnson

or

Koufus/Brandon Wright/Lavoy Allen/Ajinicia/Jeremy Tyler

Serephin/Joel Freeland/Joel Anthony would not be bad pickups for the the vet min either or looking at some D League talents as well
Even Thabeet to backup Jordan or McGee/ Larry Sander's *unguaranteed deal, maybe partial guarantee after passing a couple of months first*
Thabeet learning under Jordan would be GREAT for his experience and we can mentor them, and lock them up to 2year deals on the minimum
For Larry Sanders, he cannot get a guaranteed deal though

Players that been there and are coming from winning cultures that would cost much more and look for D League talents to learn off them to balance it out like
For 3 and D, do we look to bring player from WINNING FRANCHISE and pay a bit more for the

Danny Green's
Wesley Matthews
DeMarre Carroll

I think both Scotty Hopson and Jarrell Eddie that are on the D League that could play LEAD and OFF guard in this system, both of which can shoot very well, with Eddie being the better shooter but Hopson being the more skilled and athletic talent, as well as Jerrille Beniminon, Phil Jackson should lock these guys up
Maybe Willie Reed who I think is a poor mans Greg Monroe, as well as Darington Hobson/Khem Birch/Eric Griffen and Jared Cunningham *who played on Clippers this season a bit if DJ vouched for him*

Some other good fits could be Thabeet/Arinza Onuaku and some summer invites that we have given, also keep an eye on Christian Wood *learning under Jordan* as Houston has many guaranteed contracts PF/C's especially if they resign Josh Smith and another FA which they have been rumored to have interest in LA/Kevin Love/Millsap

Value 3 and D,
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or look for value with players like

Thanasis *with these guys helping him along with Wesley Johnson who could mentor him with similar bodies/skills/weakness's with years of experience in the league, along with an anchor like DJ*

Aminu *if Philly releases Grant's older brother, I think his game is similar to Aminu, as they have probably the rights to 30+ players with 2nd rounders alone*
Wesley Johnson
Gereld Green

Derrick Wiliams
Jeremy Evans *a lot of length/athleticism and lets not forget DeMaRRe Carroll *in his 30's* played for Utah and didn't get much PT prior to signing with Houston which

or VET's for their leadership/experience like
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Andre Miller *maybe could even teach some post game to Jerian Grant who has the size to do so*

Paul Pierce/Matt Barnes *if he gets released on Memphis*
Scola/David West/Brandon Bass/Amir Johnson

Shawnee Williams/Caron Butler/ Delfino??? *not sure how he is healing from his injury*
James Johnson in a trade to swap junk or give them a 2.5 trade exemption, so Toronto can have more money for FA's, as he wasn't even used in the play offs, feel he would fill a need as we face talents 4x a year at min like

Lebron
Paul George
Jimmy Butler

Tobias Harris
Giannes/Jabari Parker
Derozan
Battum/MKG/Frank Kaminski
Kyle Korver/Scott or Carroll/Millsap if they resign
Isiah Thomas/Evan Turner

even on BIG PGs or SG's like John Wall or Bradly Beal

with the ability to defend 3-4 positions especially if DJ is behind him
Would also be a good mentor to Thanasis as well and help our shot blocking/steals/fast breaks, when given minutes last year he showed he improved his all round game much

RFA's
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Jae Crowder

Mike Muscula *think he is a RFA but not sure, as well as Ray Mccllum*

Ray Mccllum

Biyombo

for BIGS

Greg Monroe *if we stretch, make trades*

or

Koufus/Brandon Wright/Lavoy Allen/AJinicia

AB on a vet min deal *not sure if we keep his bird rights*

dwiley20 wrote:all you have to do is put a SG/SF on him...hes not going to blow buy anyone...he will just be a jump shooter all day long

You think he hasn't faced that already??? You sound like someone who's never seen him play. Go and watch some video of KP and you'll see that he quickly posts up when a guard tries to defend him. KP will have the same advantage Dirk has. Too big for small players and too quick for bigs plus a quick 1st step and quick, high release. KP looks like he has the killer combination of talent.