callmened wrote:The more I think of it....the main reason I'm concerned about this pick is cuz we hv melo. I really wish we didn't resign him. I don't think Phil truly wanted him. I'd be all on board with a rebuilding effort with no pressure to win now

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nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

callmened wrote:I'll try to articulate my disappointment with the knicks drafting porzingus. It's not that I think he's a good or bad player (I have no idea ). I just need to understand what the knicks are trying to do. They got Melo for 5 yrs and he needs help. Yet this kid won't be ready to help soon. Sounds like they're building for the future..fine. but then why are they signing a 35 yr old David west??

Sounds like phil knew they needed to tear everything down and rebuild. Cool that makes sense but yet they invested in an aging franchise player who makes a lot of money.

I'm more confused than disappointed. At #4 you needed to get a young player who could contribute now. Not a gamble pick. I'd be more ok with this pick if we didn't invest in Melo (with the obvious pressure to win now). You tell me were rebuilding with a youth movement then I'm all in

I don't like this in between feeling

What part of Phil saying from the beginning that the team will be built in free agency and not the draft did you not understand??

That's not the part that I don't understand. Are we rebuilding now or trying to compete with Melo by getting free agents? It sounds like we're in this weird grey area.

We've been doing both since Phil cleaned house. He's been bringing in younger players and pointing towards Free Agency for some vets. It's pretty clear what he's doing. Did guys want an old team with no future? I don't understand the confusion. The Wiz had a mostly young team with an old vet in Pierce. It just helped things along.

except pierce is not getting paid 124 mill. and is opting out this year.

That's fine, but Melo is younger and still in his prime. People act like he's ancient but he's the same age as Lebron. He should have some good years before his next clean up surgery is needed. I don't see Melo as a problem. He's a plus in terms of giving the team a primary scorer for now.

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foosballnick wrote:What I find amazing is that people don't seem to understand that the draft is based purely on potential. There are no guarantees for any of these guys. The first 4 guys picked are all about 19 years old. They ALL will require a development period to ramping up in the NBA. Some are disappointed to the point of wanting PJ fired because he didn't pick an NBA ready guy. This is pretty amusing to me.....as if a 19 year old freshmen Winslow is more NBA ready than a 19 year old already playing professional ball in Spain.....or that a guy who had a limited specialty role like WCS is going to come in an be plugged along side Melo and be a perfect fit with no development needed. Perhaps Kaminsky is more polished (and 3-4 years older) than Porzinqis, however based on where he was drafted, teams obviously feel he has less overall potential.....and the NBA draft is ultimately about POTENTIAL.

We could've drafted a kid with potential to help NOW. That's the direction I thought we were heading. Not that I do or don't agree with that. I just thought having melo meant were in win now mode. This kid will be ready in a yr or 2....which is fine. So that conflicts with having melo.

This kid should be the face of the franchise but we're stuck in win now mode with melo.

Winslow or MCS to help Melo win now, that woulda been awful. Just shuffling the deck chairs to recapture the Woodson days. I mean what, just get WCS to replace Tyson or Winslow to replace JR?

Cmon. Those idiots booing have such limited brain power.

Kristaps has the ability to really change the course of the franchise for the better. Much better

callmened wrote:Again I can't comment much on porzingus....I just need to know the direction of the team. This feels like phil wanted a rebuilding effort the whole time but Dolan forced him to resign melo

I don't think he wanted a rebuilding effort, but he's using this pick as a bonus for the future. He was always going to build this thing through free agency. Seems likely we add Monroe and West, 2 immediate help guys. As West goes into his last couple of years, Porzingis can develop behind him and eventually take over. West will toughen him up and provide leadership. It makes sense. The Grant pickup shows Phil was serious about getting some immediate help from the draft as well, which i think he accomplished.

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

callmened wrote:I'll try to articulate my disappointment with the knicks drafting porzingus. It's not that I think he's a good or bad player (I have no idea ). I just need to understand what the knicks are trying to do. They got Melo for 5 yrs and he needs help. Yet this kid won't be ready to help soon. Sounds like they're building for the future..fine. but then why are they signing a 35 yr old David west??

Sounds like phil knew they needed to tear everything down and rebuild. Cool that makes sense but yet they invested in an aging franchise player who makes a lot of money.

I'm more confused than disappointed. At #4 you needed to get a young player who could contribute now. Not a gamble pick. I'd be more ok with this pick if we didn't invest in Melo (with the obvious pressure to win now). You tell me were rebuilding with a youth movement then I'm all in

I don't like this in between feeling

What part of Phil saying from the beginning that the team will be built in free agency and not the draft did you not understand??

I think people think the plan is to build the team in just this offseason when that's just not gonna happen. This offseason is just the start of rebuilding the team and it will come together in the following offseason and Porzingis will be contributing in two years as well. L.Brown just said that he would play him right away and I feel the same way. I think he can give us 20 good minutes next year and then be much more ready the following year. Don't listen to these idiots that think it's gonna take 3/4 years for him to be ready cause that's ridiculous.

Kris doesn't have to carry the team. That's the beauty of having Melo. The young players can come along at their own pace. Melo and the vets can carry the load and lead the team. It's not about one season or even 2. Phil said he was building for sustained success. He wanted a future for the team.

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anrst wrote:If we had drafted someone like Winslow who people seem to think is ready to play now (as if kristaps can't contribute from day 1) it would be just a more of the same patchwork move.

Winslow or MCS to help Melo win now, that woulda been awful. Just shuffling the deck chairs to recapture the Woodson days. I mean what, just get WCS to replace Tyson or Winslow to replace JR?

Cmon. Those idiots booing have such limited brain power.

Kristaps has the ability to really change the course of the franchise for the better. Much better

Ye with brain power, why resign Melo?

So what. We resigned Melo. It was a mistake. It's done. Can't undo it but don't have to let him keep us hostage in how we build for future.