franco12 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Shane Battier! That is the player I thought he could end up being like at the NBA level - not a great individual offensive game, strong defender - able to hit big, game winning shots when open.

I think you could see Detroit and Charlotte were zero'd in on guys and maybe not thinking about taking a player that dropped to them.

Winslow is more muscle and less IQ, but thats not a bad compare. I see a Caron Butler Wilson Chandler hybrid... but sure

still would have been good for us.

sure he would have been. I like a lot about him. When he's a nice player in a couple years and Zinga is dropping 20/10 with 3 blocks a night and is an all star he would still be good for us. Phil went with the higher upside.

But at least Winslow would be in NY where he could really "build his brand"

(his words, NOT mine)

See how this works?

Winslow to me was the safe pick - and that's probably why he dropped. At 4, I want to get more than 'just a starter'

Porzingis is a swing for the fences, change the fortune of the franchise for 10+ years - and that is what you need out of 4.

I'm ok with Phil if Porzingis is out of the league in 3-4 years and Winslow is having a steady career. He tried, gambled and lost. But at least he rolled the dice.

Where it hurts most is the fact that we don't own our own pick next year - and that is not on Phil. If we had our own pick, I think people would be freaking out just a bit less.

hard to picture that bad an outcome unless PK gets hurt. At 19 he put up Karl Town's numbers against men, not 6'7 kids from small programs who will never go pro.

One thing you read in every scouting reports is KP's quickness and ability as a help defender. You know he can shoot. You know he can dunk and is pretty explosive.

love his shooting. Just needs to bulk up a little

Fish(mike, not derek) brought up the comparison to Tayshun Prince - thinking back, he never bulked up- and i certainly never thought he could have been nearly as effective as he was.

I think we might (hoping) be surprised by what Porzingis gives us.

Let me simply ask this...

If Prince was 6'9 with a 7'2 wingpan and as effective as he was, how would you feel about a similar player who was 7'1 with a 7'6 wingpan and a more developed offensive game and more strenth and more altheticism? In todays no position NBA this guy could be bonafid franchise changer. Winslow has that ceiling? I dont see it

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Shane Battier! That is the player I thought he could end up being like at the NBA level - not a great individual offensive game, strong defender - able to hit big, game winning shots when open.

I think you could see Detroit and Charlotte were zero'd in on guys and maybe not thinking about taking a player that dropped to them.

Winslow is more muscle and less IQ, but thats not a bad compare. I see a Caron Butler Wilson Chandler hybrid... but sure

still would have been good for us.

sure he would have been. I like a lot about him. When he's a nice player in a couple years and Zinga is dropping 20/10 with 3 blocks a night and is an all star he would still be good for us. Phil went with the higher upside.

But at least Winslow would be in NY where he could really "build his brand"

(his words, NOT mine)

See how this works?

Winslow to me was the safe pick - and that's probably why he dropped. At 4, I want to get more than 'just a starter'

Porzingis is a swing for the fences, change the fortune of the franchise for 10+ years - and that is what you need out of 4.

I'm ok with Phil if Porzingis is out of the league in 3-4 years and Winslow is having a steady career. He tried, gambled and lost. But at least he rolled the dice.

Where it hurts most is the fact that we don't own our own pick next year - and that is not on Phil. If we had our own pick, I think people would be freaking out just a bit less.

hard to picture that bad an outcome unless PK gets hurt. At 19 he put up Karl Town's numbers against men, not 6'7 kids from small programs who will never go pro.

One thing you read in every scouting reports is KP's quickness and ability as a help defender. You know he can shoot. You know he can dunk and is pretty explosive.

love his shooting. Just needs to bulk up a little

Fish(mike, not derek) brought up the comparison to Tayshun Prince - thinking back, he never bulked up- and i certainly never thought he could have been nearly as effective as he was.

I think we might (hoping) be surprised by what Porzingis gives us.

which is why I can see PK as a top 5 NBA player in a few years. What does it is his athletic ability. Knicks and Phil had him in for a private workout, and while he had cramps and didnt finish he DID finish the athletic testing portion which resulted in Phil's eye opening athlete comments.

Let me simply ask this...

If Prince was 6'9 with a 7'2 wingpan and as effective as he was, how would you feel about a similar player who was 7'1 with a 7'6 wingpan and a more developed offensive game and more strenth and more altheticism? In todays no position NBA this guy could be bonafid franchise changer. Winslow has that ceiling? I dont see it

agreed. I meant that it was a steal he fell to them. He was projected top 6 i believe

He's like WCS without the foot issue and an offensive game!

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Shane Battier! That is the player I thought he could end up being like at the NBA level - not a great individual offensive game, strong defender - able to hit big, game winning shots when open.

I think you could see Detroit and Charlotte were zero'd in on guys and maybe not thinking about taking a player that dropped to them.

Winslow is more muscle and less IQ, but thats not a bad compare. I see a Caron Butler Wilson Chandler hybrid... but sure

still would have been good for us.

sure he would have been. I like a lot about him. When he's a nice player in a couple years and Zinga is dropping 20/10 with 3 blocks a night and is an all star he would still be good for us. Phil went with the higher upside.

But at least Winslow would be in NY where he could really "build his brand"

(his words, NOT mine)

See how this works?

Winslow to me was the safe pick - and that's probably why he dropped. At 4, I want to get more than 'just a starter'

Porzingis is a swing for the fences, change the fortune of the franchise for 10+ years - and that is what you need out of 4.

I'm ok with Phil if Porzingis is out of the league in 3-4 years and Winslow is having a steady career. He tried, gambled and lost. But at least he rolled the dice.

Where it hurts most is the fact that we don't own our own pick next year - and that is not on Phil. If we had our own pick, I think people would be freaking out just a bit less.