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crzymdups wrote:
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martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

You know what POrzingis reminds me of right now--Gobert before his draft. Porzingis is being put down right now--hes 19 he just came to this country he had two mediocre workouts--and supposedly Gobert hada slew of bad workouts--but at the end of the day Porzingis is 7-2.5 with a 7-6 wingspan and hes skilled. he needs time but he can help now. The chance of him busting is VERY low--he might not be great he could be but once he gets stronger and puts on 15-20 why cant he do what Gobert is doing--rebounding blocking shots scoring passing--Gobert went 27 I understand there is less risk but thats life I guess no one is risk free beyond pick 3. Its a chance to have an athletic 7-2 C for the next 15 years.

So does that mean you'd take him over Hezonja?

I have them BOTH top 5 Towns Russell Hezonga Okafor Porzingis

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6/25/2015  3:37 PM
We're fine as long as we don't drop past 7. Big talent drop off at that point.
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6/25/2015  3:38 PM
wargames wrote:All these trades and nobody wants to move up? .... Sigh.... I hope this is all just a smoke screen to keep Philly from trying to pick a player to ransom to the knicks.

And just what assets do we have to move up?? THJ? Hahahaha
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6/25/2015  3:40 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Personally, I'd have no interest in Favors or Burke but they could get us more draft picks, right?
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6/25/2015  3:41 PM
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blkexec wrote:Don't get attached to the 4th pick. Its most likely a trade. Wait to see when Kaminsky is called. If it's the Suns that's a done deal.

Every mock draft has Kaminsky under 10--at this point thats inside information. He could even go a tad higher--I know hes a white guy but hes pretty good.


Chad Ford's words today were "Frank kaminsky is rising....the hottest name right now...Frank the tank is on fire" So take that for what you will being from Chad Ford.
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newyorker4ever wrote:
wargames wrote:All these trades and nobody wants to move up? .... Sigh.... I hope this is all just a smoke screen to keep Philly from trying to pick a player to ransom to the knicks.

And just what assets do we have to move up?? THJ? Hahahaha

We can take bad, one year contracts for late first round picks. I wouldn't mind rolling out with David Lee and Gerald Wallace next season IF it got me an opportunity to draft D'Angelo Russell.
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6/25/2015  3:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.


Doesn't Durant and even Dirk play some SF??
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BRIGGS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

You know what POrzingis reminds me of right now--Gobert before his draft. Porzingis is being put down right now--hes 19 he just came to this country he had two mediocre workouts--and supposedly Gobert hada slew of bad workouts--but at the end of the day Porzingis is 7-2.5 with a 7-6 wingspan and hes skilled. he needs time but he can help now. The chance of him busting is VERY low--he might not be great he could be but once he gets stronger and puts on 15-20 why cant he do what Gobert is doing--rebounding blocking shots scoring passing--Gobert went 27 I understand there is less risk but thats life I guess no one is risk free beyond pick 3. Its a chance to have an athletic 7-2 C for the next 15 years.

So does that mean you'd take him over Hezonja?

I have them BOTH top 5 Towns Russell Hezonga Okafor Porzingis

That's a good top 5.
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6/25/2015  3:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  3:47 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.


Doesn't Durant and even Dirk play some SF??

Durant is listed at 6"9' and Dirk played the 3 in a different era. Back in the 90s, it was commonplace for slender PF's to play the 3 (see Tim Thomas, Keith Van Horn, Juwon Howard, Robert Horry, Charles Smith, Otis Thorpe, etc).
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6/25/2015  3:47 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.

Durant?
Ak47?
6-9, 6-10, 6-11 all the same in my book. Its the footwork and able to move on defense.

Naturally as they fill up they move down low.
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6/25/2015  3:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

You know what POrzingis reminds me of right now--Gobert before his draft. Porzingis is being put down right now--hes 19 he just came to this country he had two mediocre workouts--and supposedly Gobert hada slew of bad workouts--but at the end of the day Porzingis is 7-2.5 with a 7-6 wingspan and hes skilled. he needs time but he can help now. The chance of him busting is VERY low--he might not be great he could be but once he gets stronger and puts on 15-20 why cant he do what Gobert is doing--rebounding blocking shots scoring passing--Gobert went 27 I understand there is less risk but thats life I guess no one is risk free beyond pick 3. Its a chance to have an athletic 7-2 C for the next 15 years.

And everyone is right--when drafting him--first off position him at 5 IMMEDIATELY--do not give him a thought process he is anything but a C. He can take an outside shot but he would immediately be in post camp learning moves with his soft touch and length.

various people have already said this.

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6/25/2015  3:59 PM
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.

Durant?
Ak47?
6-9, 6-10, 6-11 all the same in my book. Its the footwork and able to move on defense.

Naturally as they fill up they move down low.

6'9" is a big difference from 7'2". You find me a 7-footer who played SF in today's fast paced NBA... I don't think you can.

Also, all the highlights of Porzingis trying to defend show him getting abused by 6'9" 200lbs guys.

I don't know. I think he'll be okay, but I think it's a huge mistake to think he'll play SF. Put him at PF next to Melo and I have a little more faith in the idea.

A frontline of Melo - Monroe - Porzingis? I have no idea what to expect with that.

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6/25/2015  4:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.

Durant?
Ak47?
6-9, 6-10, 6-11 all the same in my book. Its the footwork and able to move on defense.

Naturally as they fill up they move down low.

6'9" is a big difference from 7'2". You find me a 7-footer who played SF in today's fast paced NBA... I don't think you can.

Also, all the highlights of Porzingis trying to defend show him getting abused by 6'9" 200lbs guys.

I don't know. I think he'll be okay, but I think it's a huge mistake to think he'll play SF. Put him at PF next to Melo and I have a little more faith in the idea.

A frontline of Melo - Monroe - Porzingis? I have no idea what to expect with that.

If we draft Porzingis--just dont have the expectation of starter from day 1--hes got to earn it. All of these guys have to earn it.

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6/25/2015  4:17 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.

Durant?
Ak47?
6-9, 6-10, 6-11 all the same in my book. Its the footwork and able to move on defense.

Naturally as they fill up they move down low.

6'9" is a big difference from 7'2". You find me a 7-footer who played SF in today's fast paced NBA... I don't think you can.

Also, all the highlights of Porzingis trying to defend show him getting abused by 6'9" 200lbs guys.

I don't know. I think he'll be okay, but I think it's a huge mistake to think he'll play SF. Put him at PF next to Melo and I have a little more faith in the idea.

A frontline of Melo - Monroe - Porzingis? I have no idea what to expect with that.

Not much in the way of defense or rebounding.
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6/25/2015  4:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  4:20 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

You know what POrzingis reminds me of right now--Gobert before his draft. Porzingis is being put down right now--hes 19 he just came to this country he had two mediocre workouts--and supposedly Gobert hada slew of bad workouts--but at the end of the day Porzingis is 7-2.5 with a 7-6 wingspan and hes skilled. he needs time but he can help now. The chance of him busting is VERY low--he might not be great he could be but once he gets stronger and puts on 15-20 why cant he do what Gobert is doing--rebounding blocking shots scoring passing--Gobert went 27 I understand there is less risk but thats life I guess no one is risk free beyond pick 3. Its a chance to have an athletic 7-2 C for the next 15 years.

So does that mean you'd take him over Hezonja?

I have them BOTH top 5 Towns Russell Hezonga Okafor Porzingis

That's a good top 5.

I think the one guy in the top 12 who may be better than people think--and I was all over him for having what was a mediocre first season was Myles Turner. Out of every single draft video I watched Turners to me was the best. He just looked like a different player. He was explosive he shot it great his running gait looked MUCH improved. We already know he can block shots--he "might " be the steal of the top 13 He can play right away imho. Hes got great length with that 7-4 wingspan. If I had to put #6 I think id go with him. He stands out above the other guys like Portis Lyles Looney maybe even Kaminsky etc.. because eh can truly play C or 4 OR stretch 4 and he's the best defender in the top 13. You want to take the regular season and put weight on it. and Myles was not good--I said it more than once he looked awful at times. But its a different game when you get 1-1 attention and youre put in position to succeed. He is also VERY intelligent. I would not be upset if we traded back and took Turner IF we get the appropriate extras.

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6/25/2015  4:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

The Zinger is a three, eventual 4-5 in time.

Going Small with fast skinny guys with long arms?

Ok, dude is white.

If Zinger is going to have any hope of surviving in the league, he better be a 4. There's no such thing as a 7'1" SF in the NBA. Any time guys say there are, those guys wind up being busts, usually.

Durant?
Ak47?
6-9, 6-10, 6-11 all the same in my book. Its the footwork and able to move on defense.

Naturally as they fill up they move down low.

6'9" is a big difference from 7'2". You find me a 7-footer who played SF in today's fast paced NBA... I don't think you can.

Also, all the highlights of Porzingis trying to defend show him getting abused by 6'9" 200lbs guys.

I don't know. I think he'll be okay, but I think it's a huge mistake to think he'll play SF. Put him at PF next to Melo and I have a little more faith in the idea.

A frontline of Melo - Monroe - Porzingis? I have no idea what to expect with that.

I would bring him off the bench. I like signing Carrol and Monroe. Fill out the backcourt with the guys already here.

Maybe something like this:
PG Jose
SG Galloway
SF Carroll
PF Melo
C Monroe
bench: Zinger, Early, THjr, etc etc

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6/25/2015  4:22 PM
do one with mudiay at pg
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jbeachboy wrote:do one with mudiay at pg

I did in another thread:

crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:this is great... he could def be the glue guy. I think he + Monroe is a solid and reasonable offseason FA wise.

I can live with that. Say we run out:

Mudiay / Calderon
Galloway
Carroll
Melo
Monroe

That's a good perimeter D squad. Not good on the interior. We'd probably want to add some better centers, maybe Ajinca or something with the midlevel? To give the option of playing a little bigger.

At this point, I'm just leaning towards drafting Mudiay or Winslow. I really hope they don't trade down unless they get bowled over.

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6/25/2015  4:26 PM
martin wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I hope the Jazz have a deal with Millsap and want Porzingis as much as I think they do. That is a team I would trade with. The trade would be close to the rumored trade they tried last year to move up to get Wiggins, #5/Favors/#23/Burks for the #1 pick.

Jazz already have Golbert, why add Porz?

Different kind of player but similar size. Porz stretches the floor where Favors is just an inside guy. It's like Monroe and Drummond except Favors is actually a good defender.

If the reports are true the Jaz like Kaminsky, Turner, and Porz they also want to bring Paul back(his brother is there too, Dragic bros/Phx). They want a stretch 4 and they could potentially offer Millsap more money than he would get in ATl and use him as a stop gap as Porzingis matures. This gives the Jazz the opportunity to use Zingis at the 4 or 5 and still keep spacing. There are not many FAs that would go to Utah but because of family and money Millsap maybe someone they could get.

As good as Favors has been if they are looking to add Paul that mean they are not sold on him. At 23 I think Favors is on the rise and fits in better with a traditional team because he is a two way player. Favors is better than Monroe and could get close to Cousins level if he improves his passing and the triangle can do that.
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