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I have a feeling we are drafting kristap at 4
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holfresh
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6/25/2015  12:08 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Triple T should love this...He should fit right in...

Are you a wrestling fan?

Meaning??

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6/25/2015  12:08 PM
Porzingis will do fine. I've watched him battle stronger guys and done fine. You cannot look at him and think he won't get stronger, and this is true for a lot of players out there.

Stein was being criticized for being too weak as a freshman, and as "strong" as he is I saw him getting pushed around by smaller men, THIS year.


Russillo himself said that he would take him over OK4!


Have no idea what Jackson is thinking.

The Hezonja rumor is very intriguing. More mature and is NBA ready right now.

I would be happy with either of the Euros and even Kaminsky and Winslow are fine with me.

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6/25/2015  12:13 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:I see what your saying but kristap is not brags ..also unless Russell or ok4 falls into our lap we need to draft for the future.. This kid has more Durant in him then brags .. He's a 2 guard skill set in a big mans body... We also were the only team to bring him in via private workout ... The workout being cut short is a smokescreen .. I think it's kristap at 4

Just because he has "two-guard skill" doesn't make him a good prospect. That has been the M.O. of almost every European 4 since Dirk and hardly any of them have had productive careers in the league. This is a different game we play and the defense played in the NBA can often neutralize what European 4's do best and relegate them to being meaningless role players (see Maceji Lampe or Chinese big man Yi Jianlian).


Lampe could barely dunk the basketball, no lie. Look it up. He was a terrible athlete. Porzingis is a much more fluid athlete than most of the euro busts.

Looks fine to me....


And as for agility and strength....

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6/25/2015  12:26 PM
holfresh wrote:Triple T should love this...He should fit right in...


Seems to have a crush on Rihanna- second time I heard him mention her. She would eat him alive.


I love his potential as a ball player, but he actually seems a bit boring at times- a bit too earnest about basketball, maybe even desperate.

Towns has the most likable personality of any prospect I've heard (or read) in an interview.

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6/25/2015  12:26 PM
I find him to be genuine and not taught to say the right things like many of these high powered agents teach their guys to say

With HIGH WORK ETHIC/HUNGER/TOUGHNESS/VERSATILLE SKLL SET, I just cannot let him pass and choose Frank Kaminski over him at #4

Build a team with the most talent, not one that fits a system when we do not even have the weapons needed to execute the system

Get Anthony Davis's Trainer along with maybe Dirk/Gasol's success and give him time
If Kaminski slipps and a trade becomes available, I do not mind, even if we have to lose CA in the process for the best of our future and for CA to contend like the others we shipped out last seasons

I am very high on Bobby Portis as well, and Briggs really like Mickey too, maybe even DMO in a trade, along with Mike Muscula at a poison pill or testing him, he was a late 2nd rounder, I think he is a RFA as a 2year player like Lin was, though not sure....

Muscula could play PF/C if he teams up with another versatile PF/C, as well as DMO/Frank Kaminski/Bobby Portis, I see talent as talent and they would fit in any system, especially in the Triangle
Filling out the other positions on 3 and D, with the ability to penetrate/finish wouldn't be very hard

I like Winslow a lot just not for the Knick's and CA, thought he was taller but kind of turned off without a TOP TIER SF like guard skills like Lebron/Kawaii/Jimmy Butler/a healhty Paul George to team up with him
IMO, he would fail like Iman Shumpert did here with our weakness's at #4, unless we can turn our #4 to 2 draft picks, and fill out our roster with LEGIT FUTURE FRANCHISE talents

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6/25/2015  12:56 PM
mudiay would be wasted in triangle offense
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6/25/2015  1:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  1:39 PM
jbeachboy wrote:mudiay would be wasted in triangle offense


the #4 pick would be wasted if on Kaminski or Trey Lyles


Talent >>> System for us when we do not even have the players to execute the system
We have to play to our talents and use a system that fits our strengths and hides weakness's, not draft for the system when we have so much lack of talent to execute the system and limited future assets/young talents


It is possible that the Triangle may fail if we can not get the players needed to execute the system and if the league continues to play more Dantoni and GS small ball, in which it is already a PG league with mainly PnR's, stretch 4's and BIG SF's as PF's, and fast high scoring/fast pace league, we must adapt with the league, unless our players are that much more DOMINANT which it currently is not....


Kerr and Gentry, with their entire coaching staff deserves much credit along with their entire roster/GM and trainers/medical staff
I think Bogut is the most expendable with Festis Ezili and even Ognjen Kuzmic, as LEGIT Centers, along with James McaDooo as a young Jared Jeffries 2.0

Speights and David Lee are also both expendable and with Justin Holiday he is great size/length/versatile skills as well
They have a very young team but will have to pay up if they want to keep that core together to continue a possible dynasty in tough conference
With Bogut, small ball, and these others BIGS, along with pick 30 *they can easily find and develop a solid PF/C* though eventually they will have to choose between talents of needs/luxuries
Curry took a huge pay cut because of his previous injuries and Harrison Barnes is a big part of their defense/philosophy as well, as well as eventually paying

Harrison Barnes as a RFA next season
Justin Holiday, with early bird rights *at one point was their 6th man, and Kerr kept everyone engaged for the most part of 12man roster as he was a role player himself and kept them ALL MOTIVATED despite lack of PT due to injuries/lineups/rotations

Festis Ezili/Ognjen Kuzmic


Barbosa was very important to this years success at the vet min too and The importance of Iggy and Livingston off their bench for their season with little playing time but staying in great shape must be creddited to their professionalism and Kerr keeping them motivated along with David Lee *think he would fit well in the Triangle and MLE type of contract, next season which could raise to about 8m to some team with the rise of the cap


Nemanja Nedovic is suppose to be a Kapono like shooter with more skills as well and Justin Holiday's physical abilities, improved confience and shooting ability/defense, could demand a decent salary for his versatlity

GS could be the making of a new system/affect like Dantoni had on the league and European style of play has changed the philosophy/style of play in the past decade from "traditional 2 BIG's lineups"
With multiple ball handlers/shooters, that could all rebound/defend/hit 3pters/slash and create for others, especially with more and more players with improved shooting/physical abilities and having BIGS have guard skills and PG/SG's with the ability to rebound/defend/even post up like Livingston did *which FATIGUES* out opponents PG's, though it was Delly as the 3rd stringer


They had 5 players at all times, that could all create/rebound/defend for each other and shoot to space
More importantly, they controlled tempo and were able to defend at a high level, forcing double teams and wide open shots/layups
The 3pt shot has changed the game with 4-5 players on many teams that could all space the floor to allow penetrate/ideal match ups
We must evolve with it, if the league continues to do so, I cannot see CA, Monroe, and a Robin Lopez working together if so, as they are all "BIG but pretty slow" taking much room and unable to defend small lineups like GS put up vs Lebron and the Cav's


Yes they loss Love and Irving, however, Love isn't nearly the defender/rebounder that Tristan is with Lebron *Love would spread the floor more and less of an OFF rebounder and not the help defender Tristan is*
But maybe the series would have been different if both Love and Irving were in it though MoSGoV, Tristan Thompson, Delly *for first 3 games*, wouldn't have had the games they had effectively with less minutes
But Lebron would have energy to dominate in 4th quarter if kept close
More importantly Iman and JR Smith would be good 4th/5th and bench options as role players as they are

Point is we should still draft a player that would also have trade value in our future rather than selecting/reaching for a player just to fit a system that we do not have the needed weapons when we need ALL STARS to be legit contenders and still be able to defend/rebound at the same time

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6/25/2015  2:00 PM
draft net just moved Russell to 2 Okafor to 3 and Porzingis to 4. Mudiay dropped form 4 to 6.
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6/25/2015  2:02 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:Triple T should love this...He should fit right in...


Seems to have a crush on Rihanna- second time I heard him mention her. She would eat him alive.


I love his potential as a ball player, but he actually seems a bit boring at times- a bit too earnest about basketball, maybe even desperate.

Towns has the most likable personality of any prospect I've heard (or read) in an interview.

That is thinking above his head. Find a cute Lativian girl and shut up.

RIP Crushalot😞
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6/25/2015  2:02 PM
OK with that. Porzingis is talented and works hard. He will be good. Is he ready now, is the only question I have. NY needs a ready player (at most 1 year away).
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6/25/2015  3:19 PM
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6/25/2015  3:40 PM
holfresh wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Triple T should love this...He should fit right in...

Are you a wrestling fan?

Meaning??

I asked because you mentioned Triple H and I am a big wrestling fan.

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6/25/2015  3:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  3:44 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:

Hes a good pick hes 7-2.5 with a 7-6 wingspan and skilled. This is Rudy Gobert all over again. Teams will just miss out.

Warkentein is the same MTHfcker who took Tim Hardaway right over Gobert. Hes been TERRIBLE for us and I think hes making decisions.

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6/25/2015  3:46 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Triple T should love this...He should fit right in...

Are you a wrestling fan?

Meaning??

I asked because you mentioned Triple H and I am a big wrestling fan.

Put on those reading glasses.

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6/25/2015  3:48 PM
Oh my bad. lmao
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6/25/2015  3:49 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:

Hes a good pick hes 7-2.5 with a 7-6 wingspan and skilled. This is Rudy Gobert all over again. Teams will just miss out.

Warkentein is the same MTHfcker who took Tim Hardaway right over Gobert. Hes been TERRIBLE for us and I think hes making decisions.

you got an afternoon nap planned before tonite? Somebody is a "Cranky Franky"!!!

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6/25/2015  4:32 PM
As do I. It'll be Mudiay or Porzingid at 4. Though it looks to the public who's been paying attention that Porzingis would be the obvious choice...I think Phil might have a trick up his sleeve at 4. We shall see.
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6/25/2015  4:33 PM
I LOVE how bad he wants to be a knick.
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6/25/2015  4:35 PM
Nothing against the kid but euro players are just extremely risky its just the way its been. Even if he does succedd it will probably take a few years until he makes a real impact
I have a feeling we are drafting kristap at 4

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