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Allanfan20
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6/25/2015  9:55 AM
Cousins is massively good with massive headaches to go with it. We have dealth with enough of those lately. No thank you to him.
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6/25/2015  10:48 AM
Cap space enabled grizz to sign zbo. Big aspect often discounted.

Phil would be wise to not engage talked for Cousins. He is a talent but not a team player. Bad attitude.

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6/25/2015  10:57 AM
Would not be surprised if ONE of these TOP 3 teams would consider trading down AFTER a team selects a player that the team would want at a lower salary (with the way FA and the rise of the cap affecting the salary cap)

In addition, they would be looking to acquire more assets and future draft picks on controlled salaries while being able to put together a roster with the ability to pull a Miami Heat by bringining in multiple ALL STAR FRIENDS and still have the ability to continue to improve through trades/draft picks to get even better

We are very much limitted and we are going against teams with multiple assets, young players, draft picks, salary cap, and multiple holes without leadership, a DOMINANT OFFENSIVE PLAYER, a DEFENSIVE STUD whether lock down defender or help defender in ANY POSITION, on top of a CREATOR/FACILATOR, and if any talents can do some of the above and multiple talents that can FIT IN AND DO THE ABOVE, it would have a multiple effect/affect on the franchise/development of future talents, the importance of HIGH IQ/PHYSICAL, MENTAL abilities along with work ethic/dirty work/role players....

Teams that do not mind taking the time needed to DEVELOP TALENT and that do not have a 30year old with over 20m in salary that has many weakness's, can easily put together a foundation to lure a bunch of talents together (which Philly/Boston and many other teams are trying to do)

Our media/tax and property (cost of living)/pressure when losing with limitted abilities in improvement vs our contenders, and lack of resources to improve all work against us
Though WINNING in NYK is great, it is a huge gamble for TOP TIER FA's, does CA have the ability to attract TOP TIER TALENTS?
New York is one of the hardest franchise if not the toughest franchise to play for because of the media but we still need TOP TIER TALENTS that Phil Jackson had when he won multiple rings
And he NEVER developped talent and went through actually building talent and the rebuilding process that takes years to execute that coaches like Sloan, Poppavich, Carlisle, Riley, Larry Brown all went though at some point


Jackson's record is very much manipulated as he always left a team when they had to go through that rebuilding process and comes back when they have established top tier talents on both OFF and DEFENSE
Like any regular STATS or ADVANCED STATS, his coaching STATS are misleading for those reasons
And we do not know where to rank HEAD COACH FISHER and his COACHING STAFF, which we cannot compare with Phil Jackson's experience and success with TOP TIER TALENTS
DEVELOPMENT STAFF and Trainers are very important and we must put in the the need to DEVELOP our talents to help young talent reach their ceilings and work on their weakness's and strengths, along with their physical bodies/work out regimes especially with a new SPORTS SCIENCE


Recent months, Phil Jackson has been saying a lot of things and I do not know which is more important and which are just smoke screens....
Does he really have a plan and his constant trolling with his opinions surely doesn't help our ability to attract future TOP TIER TALENTS
For those reasons, I believe we must DRAFT and take the risk developing our own ALL STAR CEILING TALENT vs FIT for system

As I have said in the past, if we are to contend with CA, we will need 1-2 talents that would be better players than him, with true franchise talents that have the ability to do the ABOVE IN BOLD


Points *EFFICIENCY*
REBOUNDS
DEFENSE
CONTROL GAME TEMPO
LEADERSHIP

As The JET always says, if you have talents that could do the above, they are frachise talents
If you have multiple talents that could do it together it has a multiplying affect/effect

After that, you still need depth, and talents that could both play both ON AN OFF THE BALL, being dominant and being able to do the bold and 5 qualities that The Jet use to measure franchise talent
along with HIGH WORK ETHIC, good role players/HIGH IQ players, and a coaching staff to establish roles for all talents and motive/exectue the talents on their roster, along with adjustments, and a bit of luck/lack of injuries play a role in order to contend


We are not even in stage 1 of what Phil Jackson would consider coaching and then building a roster to execute the system and build chemistry/cohesiveness together as 1, along with establshing roles together with the starting lineup, the bench, as basketball is a TEAM GAME

I do not believe in building a roster with 1-2 DEFENSIVE players, 1-2 good scorers, and then assuming it would work, that was how we put our team together after 2010
We need players that can do much of the above together, 2 way players with many other qualities/abilities


For example, Iman Shumpert and Tyson Chandler are 2 good defensive players but we were still a horrible defensive team, and our best recent DEFENSIVE team was actually during Jeremy Lin's run, with high IQ talent that played TOGETHER playing off each other strenghts and covering their weakness's despite the lack of actual talent *they would have never won a ring but that is how a team must play*

Isiah Thomas put together Marbury, Crawford, ZBO, Eddy Curry, David Lee, Wilson Chandler and Ariza *who would have never developed to the player he bacame as a Knick, etc, and they were still not a good OFFENSIVE team and a horrible defensive and rebounding team


You need talents that can do BOTH and those talents are called FRANCHISE TALENTS which we do not have and likely will need to develop and will take time to do so
We can sign such talents but why would such talents want to join a team with with as many holes as ours, as they could join talents/teams that have more talents and assets to continue to improve
Only way I think such talents would consider doing so is if Phil Jackson himself will coach as Fisher was nearly as prepared as Kerr was...

IMO, we need collect as many YOUNG TALENTs as we can this year, even taking on salaries/bad contracts in order to do so, THEN save the financial flexibility to pull a Miami Heat in 2010
For those reasons, along with CA's age, if we can send him to contender that has the ability to contend, give us back assets, then at earliest by next summer with the rise of the cap *and possibly having ANOTHER AMNESTY with the new CBA negatations, then we could be in PHASE 1 of what Phil Jackson would consider coaching when he was younger


For instance, taking on Pekovic's contract *possibly amnesting him*, while unloading Calderon, and acquiring multiple young talents with Twolves and the rest of our salary cap
Swapping our pick with Twolves *along with their 2nd rounders, and some of their young talents* or one of the top 3 teams
Would one of these teams give us OK4 for a future 1st rounder non protected and would it be worth it? Maybe only if we can sign other ALL STARS in order to do so, along with role players/2nd/3rd tier talents
This is an extremely deep draft with many TOP 8 talents that could be TOP 3-5


And it would be another tough year for Derek Fisher *in which a coach like Mark Jackson probably would have been better along with Tom Thib's to help develop a roster with HIGH WORK ETHIC, PROFESSIONALISM, and DEFENSE, then get the right coach to take them to the next level in which Kerr did greatlty along with his entire staff/roster, using a system that would be the best for the talents we collect together
NOT using a system then finding players that fit a system and not taking the better/high ceiling talents when we do not have franchise talents...

If our goal is to put together a roster that could conted with CA *which would be the middle, the worst place to be while lacking draft picks/young talnet*, it will likely take another 5-6years before we can truly contend, till CA's contract is gone


We could be play off contenders in the EAST and even possibly miss the playoffs as well, with our luck...
Though I think by next year if we go this route, we should make the playoffs and be out in the 1st or 2nd round

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6/25/2015  10:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  11:06 AM
Would not be surprised if ONE of these TOP 3 teams would consider trading down AFTER a team selects a player that the team would want at a lower salary (with the way FA and the rise of the cap affecting the salary cap)

In addition, they would be looking to acquire more assets and future draft picks on controlled salaries while being able to put together a roster with the ability to pull a Miami Heat by bringining in multiple ALL STAR FRIENDS and still have the ability to continue to improve through trades/draft picks to get even better

We are very much limitted and we are going against teams with multiple assets, young players, draft picks, salary cap, and multiple holes without leadership, a DOMINANT OFFENSIVE PLAYER, a DEFENSIVE STUD whether lock down defender or help defender in ANY POSITION, on top of a CREATOR/FACILATOR, and if any talents can do some of the above and multiple talents that can FIT IN AND DO THE ABOVE, it would have a multiple effect/affect on the franchise/development of future talents, the importance of HIGH IQ/PHYSICAL, MENTAL abilities along with work ethic/dirty work/role players....

Teams that do not mind taking the time needed to DEVELOP TALENT and that do not have a 30year old with over 20m in salary that has many weakness's, can easily put together a foundation to lure a bunch of talents together (which Philly/Boston and many other teams are trying to do)

Our media/tax and property (cost of living)/pressure when losing with limitted abilities in improvement vs our contenders, and lack of resources to improve all work against us
Though WINNING in NYK is great, it is a huge gamble for TOP TIER FA's, does CA have the ability to attract TOP TIER TALENTS?
New York is one of the hardest franchise if not the toughest franchise to play for because of the media but we still need TOP TIER TALENTS that Phil Jackson had when he won multiple rings
And he NEVER developped talent and went through actually building talent and the rebuilding process that takes years to execute that coaches like Sloan, Poppavich, Carlisle, Riley, Larry Brown all went though at some point


Jackson's record is very much manipulated as he always left a team when they had to go through that rebuilding process and comes back when they have established top tier talents on both OFF and DEFENSE
Like any regular STATS or ADVANCED STATS, his coaching STATS are misleading for those reasons
And we do not know where to rank HEAD COACH FISHER and his COACHING STAFF, which we cannot compare with Phil Jackson's experience and success with TOP TIER TALENTS
DEVELOPMENT STAFF and Trainers are very important and we must put in the the need to DEVELOP our talents to help young talent reach their ceilings and work on their weakness's and strengths, along with their physical bodies/work out regimes especially with a new SPORTS SCIENCE


Recent months, Phil Jackson has been saying a lot of things and I do not know which is more important and which are just smoke screens....
Does he really have a plan and his constant trolling with his opinions surely doesn't help our ability to attract future TOP TIER TALENTS
For those reasons, I believe we must DRAFT and take the risk developing our own ALL STAR CEILING TALENT vs FIT for system

As I have said in the past, if we are to contend with CA, we will need 1-2 talents that would be better players than him, with true franchise talents that have the ability to do the ABOVE IN BOLD


Points *EFFICIENCY*
REBOUNDS
DEFENSE
CONTROL GAME TEMPO
LEADERSHIP

As The JET always says, if you have talents that could do the above, they are frachise talents
If you have multiple talents that could do it together it has a multiplying affect/effect

After that, you still need depth, and talents that could both play both ON AN OFF THE BALL, being dominant and being able to do the bold and 5 qualities that The Jet use to measure franchise talent
along with HIGH WORK ETHIC, good role players/HIGH IQ players, and a coaching staff to establish roles for all talents and motive/exectue the talents on their roster, along with adjustments, and a bit of luck/lack of injuries play a role in order to contend


We are not even in stage 1 of what Phil Jackson would consider coaching and then building a roster to execute the system and build chemistry/cohesiveness together as 1, along with establshing roles together with the starting lineup, the bench, as basketball is a TEAM GAME

I do not believe in building a roster with 1-2 DEFENSIVE players, 1-2 good scorers, and then assuming it would work, that was how we put our team together after 2010
We need players that can do much of the above together, 2 way players with many other qualities/abilities


For example, Iman Shumpert and Tyson Chandler are 2 good defensive players but we were still a horrible defensive team, and our best recent DEFENSIVE team was actually during Jeremy Lin's run, with high IQ talent that played TOGETHER playing off each other strenghts and covering their weakness's despite the lack of actual talent *they would have never won a ring but that is how a team must play*

Isiah Thomas put together Marbury, Crawford, ZBO, Eddy Curry, David Lee, Wilson Chandler and Ariza *who would have never developed to the player he bacame as a Knick, etc, and they were still not a good OFFENSIVE team and a horrible defensive and rebounding team


You need talents that can do BOTH and those talents are called FRANCHISE TALENTS which we do not have and likely will need to develop and will take time to do so
We can sign such talents but why would such talents want to join a team with with as many holes as ours, as they could join talents/teams that have more talents and assets to continue to improve
Only way I think such talents would consider doing so is if Phil Jackson himself will coach as Fisher was nearly as prepared as Kerr was...

IMO, we need collect as many YOUNG TALENTs as we can this year, even taking on salaries/bad contracts in order to do so, THEN save the financial flexibility to pull a Miami Heat in 2010
For those reasons, along with CA's age, if we can send him to contender that has the ability to contend, give us back assets, then at earliest by next summer with the rise of the cap *and possibly having ANOTHER AMNESTY with the new CBA negatations, then we could be in PHASE 1 of what Phil Jackson would consider coaching when he was younger


For instance, taking on Pekovic's contract *possibly amnesting him*, while unloading Calderon, and acquiring multiple young talents with Twolves and the rest of our salary cap
Swapping our pick with Twolves *along with their 2nd rounders, and some of their young talents* or one of the top 3 teams
Would one of these teams give us OK4 for a future 1st rounder non protected and would it be worth it? Maybe only if we can sign other ALL STARS in order to do so, along with role players/2nd/3rd tier talents
This is an extremely deep draft with many TOP 8 talents that could be TOP 3-5


And it would be another tough year for Derek Fisher *in which a coach like Mark Jackson probably would have been better along with Tom Thib's to help develop a roster with HIGH WORK ETHIC, PROFESSIONALISM, and DEFENSE, then get the right coach to take them to the next level in which Kerr did greatlty along with his entire staff/roster, using a system that would be the best for the talents we collect together
NOT using a system then finding players that fit a system and not taking the better/high ceiling talents when we do not have franchise talents...

If our goal is to put together a roster that could conted with CA *which would be the middle, the worst place to be while lacking draft picks/young talnet*, it will likely take another 5-6years before we can truly contend, till CA's contract is gone


We could be play off contenders in the EAST and even possibly miss the playoffs as well, with our luck...
Though I think by next year if we go this route, we should make the playoffs and be out in the 1st or 2nd round


I hope we can get it right and I believe at 4, we should take either Mudiay or KP, as they are the higher ceiling talents that could be franchise talents in a couple of years if we put them in the situation to succeed and develop with *DEVELOPMENT STAFF/TRAINERS* along with allowing them to go through growing pains *which would go against CA's contract, age, and original plan that Phil Jackson and CA had a vision with...

Prior to our final win of the season and lottery order determinded....
This draft is so deep, I was hoping we would get a TOP 2 pick, and hoped Sixers would get 2-3 1st rounders with this draft, with Lakers falling out, and then would NOT MIND ONE BIT in trading down for 2 TOP 5 talents that could be drafted in TOP 8

AND getting other draft picks in the 2nd round future draft picks, as teams like Boston/Sixers would have the ability to OVERPAY for such talents as they have a billion picks in the next couple of years
I am sure Phil Jackson was hoping the same exact thing, hoping a team full of assetts and other teams would overpay and go on a bidding war, fully utilizing this deep/strong class to make up for our lack of future asstes and utilize the strenght/depth of this draft


We will get a sense of what Phil Jackson's "plan" and vision is, but too be optimistic like Nixluva is truely just giving blind confidence to a team that lacks assets to improve vs our contenders, simply is just horrible evaluation that are unrealistic

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6/25/2015  11:00 AM
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holfresh wrote:Jerry West practically gave them Gasol for nothing..Now Divac is handing them Cousins and Phil probably won't even try..
How is it "handing" them Cousins? They would be trading the 2nd overall pick, Randle, clarkson, along with probably their other first rounder. Plus they want LA to take a bad contract. That is a lot to give up. If we were offered that for melo then Phil would be applauded by every Knick fan

Cousins is a Franchise player at 15 mil per...The salary structure alone is like getting another FA star, because of who LA will attract if they get Cousins...None of the guys LA if offering..No one mentioned another first rounder, that your little sprinkle on...Essentially 4 first round picks is you imagination...

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6/25/2015  11:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  11:04 AM
TripleThreat wrote:Cousins should just come clean that he doesn't want to play in Sacto anymore.

The Malone firing was just a soft cover for his discontentment with the situation. He's in a long term team friendly deal with the cap rising. He wants to move to a bigger market and get some of that big time endorsement money that his agent and agency have promised him.

Same sad story over and over. The league is predominantly stocked with young US born and raised African American players. The majority of them seem to be completely dissatisfied with the idea of being the best basketball player they can be. They all must want to be the next Common/Jamie Foxx/Jay Z/Ice Cube and be a rapper/singer/dancer/actor/clothing line mogul/media mogul/pastry chef/champion bass fisherman/tv personality/Oscar winner/Grammy winner/have their own cologne/have their kids be the next Jayden and Willow Smith/reality stars and on and on and on.

It's like they have no sense of reality.

Martin Scorsese isn't sitting in a room with Chris Nolan and James Cameron going - "Hey yeah, what the **** have I been thinking? I need a near 7 foot black guy who isn't a good enough actor to act like he cares about his fans and his franchise and basketball to play this super important Oscar winning role here!"

I remember seeing a bizarre interview with Chris Webber, and how he said he had to just stop himself from pursuing all these acting and non basketball opportunities like he was some mix of DeNiro and Warren Buffett combined. Never mind he could barely speak functionally in front of a camera and a mic in his face and that he's universally been panned as a lousy person off the court.

I don't blame the Spurs, who openly state they rather get international players ( i.e. code for I don't want a ghetto hood rat wannabe rapper who cares about getting his next shoe deal)

The Lakers aren't some genius franchise. They just take advantage of the reality that a lot of these players believe playing for the Lakers means you can turn from LL Cool J to James Todd Smith.

If the Kings really wanted to troll Cousins, they should trade him to Toronto. ( Actually a nice place to live, not that Cousins would appreciate that. He'd just be pissed because he probably believes the Lakers are his best chance to get into an Entourage sequel movie)

DeMarcus Cousins starring in SHAZAMM PART II! What a mother ****ing jackoff.

Reports are that Cousins came clean over a month ago about wanting to leave...

History is littered with athletes who try to parlay their successes on the field to greater things..It's just not the story of the African American athlete..Reports were out last week of Tim Duncan, a docile foreigner on the very Spurs team you mentioned, was fleeced out of 20 mil in outside business ventures..This foreigner seem not too happy with making money playing ball...He too wants to be like Jay Z??..Hakeem the Dream, another foreigner, has made more money outside of basketball than he has playing the game..Pao Gasol, a white Spaniard was fleeced in business dealings by his reps while with the Lakers..He later joined Messi's Image agency to promote his brand...

Elway did business while playing and he too got fleeced...There was BOZ before them..There are Hockey players all over the map trying to get their business gig on...Aston Kutcher is a big time player in Silicon Valley start-ups and is lauded for it..He gets to go on CNBC and talks about it..But if Melo also invest in Silicon Valley start-ups then he and his wife wants to be Jay-Z and Beyonce/Will Smith and Jayda..No, they don't want to be like former Milwaukee Buck Junior Bridgeman who now owns 196 Wendy's Franchises...They all want to be Jay-Z...

Magic Johnson, Micheal Jordan and Tiger Woods parlayed their successes to become near billionaires...Julius Erving earned big money owning a Cocoa Cola bottling Company and on the Board of Directors for several companies, including Converse, Darden Restaurants, Inc., Saks Incorporated, and The Sports Authority. No, they want to be Jay-Z..

Cousins is a complete head case in his own right..He might have many reasons for wanting to leave SAC, who knows..Does it really have to be that he dreams to be a rapper or be like Will and Jayda??..Come on, your rap is consistent and tired..African American wants to be a rap star...And no kidding but some of them do...But not everyone bro..U can't keep labeling and painting everyone with your broad brush laying broad strokes..You look silly doing it..

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6/25/2015  11:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  11:19 AM
Cousin's will be gone sooner or later, though he is locked in to a MAX contract for a couple more years *that could look like a MLE type money* when the new CBA starts next season...
It would be a distraction both on and off the court if management/George Karl, and DMC can not repair their relationships as Malone was on the right path and developped Cousins, helping his maturity and raising is all round game play last season
Like Shaq, he will LEAVE when the time is right when he expires and likely will be traded then, for probably less than what they can acquire right now with this draft class....

Injuries hurt them along with HORRIBLE DRAFTING for many years
Drafting SG after SG every year, like the Twolves did in PG for the Rubio/Session years

When DMC is the best player and if he is unhappy and highly emotional, it could be a huge negative affect/effect on the entire roster, with those 2 strong personalaties of Karl vs DMC, with these "rumor" and grass, snake, grass EMOJI'z

They could have drafted Elfrid Payton, who was my dark horse for ROY that I said in the summer league last summer
Had they done so, they could have brought in Gary Payton work with him with George Karl, as they have similiar strenghts/weakness's/physcial bodies


Instead

Jimmer
Ben McLemore
Nic Staukcus, somehow became aka Sauce

They could have got Andre Drummond with Cousins..
Instead of Thomas Robinson *which "FELL", not a bad player but not a FRANCHISE talent as an undersized PF*


all playing the same position and TOP 10 draft while there were MANY OTHER talents that could have even traded down for mulitple talents that would have been better to go with DMC and Rudy Gay together, with Payton and much more
.

There are so many teams that I can see have a better chance executing the Triangle with their roster than ours that will choose NOT concentrate on the POST, rather to play more PnR ball and Dantoni's philosophy with *stretch 4's or BIG SF's at PF*, allowing penetration/better floor spacing as easy options, along with the ability to PUSH for easy baskets

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6/25/2015  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2015  12:04 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Cousins should just come clean that he doesn't want to play in Sacto anymore.

The Malone firing was just a soft cover for his discontentment with the situation. He's in a long term team friendly deal with the cap rising. He wants to move to a bigger market and get some of that big time endorsement money that his agent and agency have promised him.

Same sad story over and over. The league is predominantly stocked with young US born and raised African American players. The majority of them seem to be completely dissatisfied with the idea of being the best basketball player they can be. They all must want to be the next Common/Jamie Foxx/Jay Z/Ice Cube and be a rapper/singer/dancer/actor/clothing line mogul/media mogul/pastry chef/champion bass fisherman/tv personality/Oscar winner/Grammy winner/have their own cologne/have their kids be the next Jayden and Willow Smith/reality stars and on and on and on.

It's like they have no sense of reality.

Martin Scorsese isn't sitting in a room with Chris Nolan and James Cameron going - "Hey yeah, what the **** have I been thinking? I need a near 7 foot black guy who isn't a good enough actor to act like he cares about his fans and his franchise and basketball to play this super important Oscar winning role here!"

I remember seeing a bizarre interview with Chris Webber, and how he said he had to just stop himself from pursuing all these acting and non basketball opportunities like he was some mix of DeNiro and Warren Buffett combined. Never mind he could barely speak functionally in front of a camera and a mic in his face and that he's universally been panned as a lousy person off the court.

I don't blame the Spurs, who openly state they rather get international players ( i.e. code for I don't want a ghetto hood rat wannabe rapper who cares about getting his next shoe deal)

The Lakers aren't some genius franchise. They just take advantage of the reality that a lot of these players believe playing for the Lakers means you can turn from LL Cool J to James Todd Smith.

If the Kings really wanted to troll Cousins, they should trade him to Toronto. ( Actually a nice place to live, not that Cousins would appreciate that. He'd just be pissed because he probably believes the Lakers are his best chance to get into an Entourage sequel movie)

DeMarcus Cousins starring in SHAZAMM PART II! What a mother ****ing jackoff.

Here you go:

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6/25/2015  6:17 PM
Yet another reason why this deal is dead and Cousins is crying...


EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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6/25/2015  6:22 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Yet another reason why this deal is dead and Cousins is crying...


Did anyone actually believe the Kings would trade their star to the Lakers? The Kings despise the Lakers and the Kings owners love Cousins... I think they part ways with Karl.

That franchise is a bigger mess than the Knicks, which is saying something!

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6/25/2015  6:29 PM
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WaltLongmire wrote:Yet another reason why this deal is dead and Cousins is crying...


Did anyone actually believe the Kings would trade their star to the Lakers? The Kings despise the Lakers and the Kings owners love Cousins... I think they part ways with Karl.

That franchise is a bigger mess than the Knicks, which is saying something!


Karl made a power-play and lost...not unlike MDA, who wanted Anthony gone at one point...no?

Wonder if Karl falls on his sword and resigns before he is fired... although I assume there is a financial incentive to stay on until they cut him loose.

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Wojo reporting Kings and Lakers are exploring a deal for Cousins

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