nyk4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:Over 3.5 blocks and 70% fg over 11 boards per 40...

Also he is three months older than Towns and 4 months older than Okafor. Basically a soph?

I liked Gobert and wanted the Knicks to pick him. I thought physically he had unique potential. I think it is the same with Kristaps.

i get the same feeling about kristaps, but who knows really. i'll just never understand how people can pretend to know what a player is going to be when he's played overseas and they literally have NOTHING to go on - the same can be said for mudiay, you got guys here saying he won't be anything in the nba. based on what? atleast with college players, you can watch them and have an idea of what makes them tick, how they perform under pressure and maybe what kind of career they will have.

either way, im with briggs - let the scouts do their jobs and if we pick him, be happy. the international game has come a long way from the days of fredrick weis and just because you pick a foreign player, it doesn't mean they are going to be a skinny stiff with no game.

yea the game has come a long way since even Darko & Bargnani

Vmart wrote:Be happy with who ever the Knicks pick. Booing the pick only hurts the player not so much the organization. The last thing anyone should do is boo a player on his day of happiness.

Word. Have some respect.

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i love the guys on here saying he isn't and won't be ready like they actually know that. i for one put my trust in actual scouts who have watched him play, as well as former nba players who have played with him and have good things to say about him.

i hope we draft him, just so i can see what nixluva has to say after his comments on this thread.

Why don't you tell us what the scouts say about KrisP being ready right now or needing years to really be ready. From what i've seen of him and what a lot of scouts have said it will take some time for KrisP to develop. I could see him playing some 3 or stretch 4 but he's gonna need time to develop in order to be ready for the NBA level.

I think it would be extremely hard to put a kid like him in NY when he's so far away from ready. NY which is like a meat grinder could ruin his confidence. He needs a place were he can develop at his own pace.

every player needs time to develop, why are you only focusing on porzingis about this "time to develop"? guess what, we got a few years for him to develop because this team isn't going anywhere for a few years anyways.

just be honest, this is only because you want stein. it really has nothing to do with porzingis, it's all because you want stein.

NO! I actually spent time going over every video I could find on the kid and he's got talent. He's a very promising prospect but he's also got a long way to go in terms of strength and we really don't know if he'll ever reach his full potential. He wouldn't be the 1st player to look like he was on his way to superstardom only to not reach that potential. I've mentioned that it looks like Phil is thinking about Kaminsky or WCS because they fit what he's been saying he wants. Even now he's still hinting that he'd prefer to go in that direction.

We only hope that KrisP will turn out to be better than Kaminsky or WCS or anyone else we could at #4. We don't KNOW that he'll be better and right now he's not yet as capable as other prospects we're more sure about. I don't know that Phil can take the risk knowing this market is impatient as well. He's seen how the press here circles like Sharks waiting for any misstep or failure.

BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.

If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.

This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.

I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.

Always believe in giving any young player time to develop. Guys around here talk about rebuilding and developing young players, but many don't have the patience for it, and that is why this team has been so terrible over the years.

Really hoping that Russell somehow drops to us. I think he can energize the franchise. Never expected that there was even a chance he might be available, but now he's in the "you never know" category. Many say he's the perfect guard to run the triangle- it will be a steal if we get him.

Would be very happy with Porzingis or Kaminsky, and also happy with Winslow, and I believe one of these 3 will be taken on Thursday if Russell is gone.

Winslow is a competitor with a lot talent and even more pride and drive. Didn't like that foolish "branding" comment he made, but he can give you a lot of things to work with, and might become our Lebron neutralizer if we get him.

Kaminsky is the most underrated guy in the draft, but I think Phil likes him, and he's a guy who can play well in the Triangle and any other system out there. Continues to get better each year and he's smart.

Porzingis has more experience than almost any player in the draft, and the last two years he's played against and with grown men. Phil actually talked about this in his press conference, if anyone was actually able to hear the clip. If you are doing a true rebuild, he is the guy you take, but I've watched as much or more video of him than anyone, including the full games available, and if you think he can't contribute next year you are fooling yourself. He will get banged around, and needs added weight, but he has a much more polished game than many think, and he's a lot tougher than given credit for around here. I posted photos of some of the other thinner players who came into the league and became great, and he is not that different than they were at his age. Like OK4, his body has not yet matured, but its only a matter of time. I've seen him make some shots that few legit 7+ foot players have ever made with his fluency, and I've also seen a 7'1" kid who got beat at the foul line by a guard recover to block the shot.

Going on too much…here's part of an article about him a few days ago to close things out...

...After becoming fluent in English with a slight accent, after the experience of playing in Spain's ACB as the second-best league in the world and after Kyle Lowry was telling people at Impact a year ago he would not show up the next day unless Porzingis was on his team -- is that it is impossible to imagine an international prospect through the years more prepared for the NBA jump. Others have been stronger and more ready for the mosh pit life of the power forward who will have to rebound and defend inside no matter how good he is with the ball. Others have had the experience in the Olympics or world championships that provided scouting opportunities against the U.S. talent he will face three or four times a week in the future. But no one has the background of having left his family five years ago to play in Spain and the competition he got there.

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-porzingis-has-big-fan-in-landry/article_9b1c9627-16ea-53e8-ad4e-812344d9048f.html

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.

If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.

This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.

I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.

They boo for all the wrong reason. Those are the same people who cheered our final 2 wins

WaltLongmire wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.

If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.

This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.

I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.

Said it before…will say it again.

The man with low expectations is the man who will never be disappointed.

Best way to think about this team right now.

I think drafting Porzingis would be exciting. I think having a +7-2 athletic skilled 5 who is intelligent and a basketball junkie--I feel real good about. Also like Kaminsky but he might not have the defense upside of Porzingis

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i love the guys on here saying he isn't and won't be ready like they actually know that. i for one put my trust in actual scouts who have watched him play, as well as former nba players who have played with him and have good things to say about him.

i hope we draft him, just so i can see what nixluva has to say after his comments on this thread.

Nobody knows... You just have to go off what you know... And I know I've seen this story before.. Way before dirk.. Way before Darko... The story of the soft 7fter... And it always ends badly...

Who's scouting report is this from?

He needs to bulk up his upper body, in order to be able to withstand the extra physicality at the NBA level He has a mild demeanor, sometimes he appears to play with a reduced gear, lacking much competitive fire ... At times, his lack of a great feel for the game becomes apparent as he fails to recognize plays before they develop or doesn't finish off plays with enough aggression ...

So is your mystery player someone coming from the college ranks… somebody who played in a state which usually votes Republican in Presidential elections??

Stevo718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.

I'm sorry I just can't see it. He can shoot, he can move decent for his size... but I don't think he is gonna put on enough weight in the NBA and best case scenario a better shooting Bargnani with an okay post up game against smaller guys... but not worth the 4th pick. Definitely not a Dirk Nowitzki.

I question what you see as he is THE BEST ATHLETE at his size coming out of this draft. The guy is a freak athlete and you say he moves decent He just doesn't shoot, he is a great shooter. So you have an freak athlete (with good footwork) that can put the ball on the floor and shoot it from deep. (I'm not sure about his game in close) Oh, and he shot blocker and defend.

The NBA has changed and tall thin players can still excel if they have skills. They don't need to be bulky and play down low - that is (mostly) a past way of playing for centers.

Should we draft him though, we will need a more traditional center in the paint (until he fills out.)

He is a top 5 to top 10 pick for sure.

The other thing is he did a private workout for the Knicks, and although he had cramps and wasnt able to finish the whole sequence, he did finish the athletic part, so if the Knicks take him they know exactly what kind of athlete he is.