nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

Russell is the only guy in the draft who might fit the Kobe/MJ role, and I also think that he is young enough to physically mature into a tier 2 superior athlete.

You look at his frame, and you can see that he can easily put on the extra muscle- and he's already talked about the fitness things he been doing.

He's worked with the same folks who train the Towns and Stein, and they really work on your strength, or so it would seem from looking at the beefcake shots they had of Towns and Stein showing their muscles.

Pretty amazing if he slips to us...but not impossible.

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

Steve Mills might be taking over sooner rather than later....Phil might have a heart attack if we get Russell.

Russell is the only guy in the draft who might fit the Kobe/MJ role, and I also think that he is young enough to physically mature into a tier 2 superior athlete.

You look at his frame, and you can see that he can easily put on the extra muscle- and he's already talked about the fitness things he been doing.

He's worked with the same folks who train the Towns and Stein, and they really work on your strength, or so it would seem from looking at the beefcake shots they had of Towns and Stein showing their muscles.

Pretty amazing if he slips to us...but not impossible.

Russell falling to #4 changes everything. It's just not something we can know right now. Philly is the major decider at this point. What they do will dictate what we do to the greatest degree. If they somehow passed on Russell it would totally change this draft for the Knicks.

FistOfOakley wrote:

franco12 wrote:I want to be optimistic, but I'm worried what the next few years will look like.

Are we going to bypass talent simply because its not smart enough to play in the triangle?

Would Stephen Curry or LeBron James fit the triangle?

We have 1 draft pick this year, none next year. We have cap room and a roster full of question marks. We're not set anywhere.

Melo is a giant question mark. Does he recover, or does he become Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0?

Melo has a ton of minutes on his body - look at what Kobe has down - hurt the last 2 years.

The human body can only put up with so much damage before it breaks.

We won 17 games last year. We probably should expect that at best, healthy, lucky, we're doubling that and anything better is gravy.

he flat out said they were taking BPA...

BPA who understands the triangle!

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

Steve Mills might be taking over sooner rather than later....Phil might have a heart attack if we get Russell.

Russell is the only guy in the draft who might fit the Kobe/MJ role, and I also think that he is young enough to physically mature into a tier 2 superior athlete.

You look at his frame, and you can see that he can easily put on the extra muscle- and he's already talked about the fitness things he been doing.

He's worked with the same folks who train the Towns and Stein, and they really work on your strength, or so it would seem from looking at the beefcake shots they had of Towns and Stein showing their muscles.

Pretty amazing if he slips to us...but not impossible.

Phil said we are set at lead guard and SF...

We had a secret workout for him, and he already cost Phil $25Gs.

He seems like a perfect player to build on offensively, and might be one of the few guys willing to challenge Anthony as alpha dog come the big moments in a game.

Don't know Phil's terminology, but none of the guards we have now fit the Jordan/Kobe profile in terms of ability.

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

Steve Mills might be taking over sooner rather than later....Phil might have a heart attack if we get Russell.

Russell is the only guy in the draft who might fit the Kobe/MJ role, and I also think that he is young enough to physically mature into a tier 2 superior athlete.

You look at his frame, and you can see that he can easily put on the extra muscle- and he's already talked about the fitness things he been doing.

He's worked with the same folks who train the Towns and Stein, and they really work on your strength, or so it would seem from looking at the beefcake shots they had of Towns and Stein showing their muscles.

Pretty amazing if he slips to us...but not impossible.

Phil said we are set at lead guard and SF...

He won't let Russell pass at 4.

We had a secret workout for him, and he already cost Phil $25Gs.

He seems like a perfect player to build on offensively, and might be one of the few guys willing to challenge Anthony as alpha dog come the big moments in a game.

Don't know Phil's terminology, but none of the guards we have now fit the Jordan/Kobe profile in terms of ability.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well..He also said he won't be taking players people expect him to take..Phil just scares me..It's not above him to make an ideological(triangle) pick rather than the talent(BPA) pick..

Phil and his staff understand player values. He's not just going to waste the value of the #4 pick. If he didn't want Russell if he fell he could still use the value of that pick properly. I think he'd love Russell at #4, but I think he believes Russell will be gone.

Phil may end up taking a deal if he can get max value from #4. IMO teams will call and that can be a good thing for this team. If he can turn that pick into more than one really good player.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

Steve Mills might be taking over sooner rather than later....Phil might have a heart attack if we get Russell.

Russell is the only guy in the draft who might fit the Kobe/MJ role, and I also think that he is young enough to physically mature into a tier 2 superior athlete.

You look at his frame, and you can see that he can easily put on the extra muscle- and he's already talked about the fitness things he been doing.

He's worked with the same folks who train the Towns and Stein, and they really work on your strength, or so it would seem from looking at the beefcake shots they had of Towns and Stein showing their muscles.

Pretty amazing if he slips to us...but not impossible.

Phil said we are set at lead guard and SF...

He won't let Russell pass at 4.

We had a secret workout for him, and he already cost Phil $25Gs.

He seems like a perfect player to build on offensively, and might be one of the few guys willing to challenge Anthony as alpha dog come the big moments in a game.

Don't know Phil's terminology, but none of the guards we have now fit the Jordan/Kobe profile in terms of ability.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well..He also said he won't be taking players people expect him to take..Phil just scares me..It's not above him to make an ideological(triangle) pick rather than the talent(BPA) pick..

Phil and his staff understand player values. He's not just going to waste the value of the #4 pick. If he didn't want Russell if he fell he could still use the value of that pick properly. I think he'd love Russell at #4, but I think he believes Russell will be gone.

Phil may end up taking a deal if he can get max value from #4. IMO teams will call and that can be a good thing for this team. If he can turn that pick into more than one really good player.

We have one NBA starter on the team... I think we need to make that 4th pick and not trade it...

holfresh wrote:We have one NBA starter on the team... I think we need to make that 4th pick and not trade it...

What you just said makes the case for a possible trade. If you end up with a good NBA player, Good 1st rd draft pick, later 1st or high 2nd rd pick and a 2016 pick, that's GREAT value for the #4. If Towns, Okafor and Russell are gone, I believe a trade could make the most sense in this draft.

TPercy wrote:I hope to god that lead guard is not Galloway.

then who?

TPercy wrote:I hope to god that lead guard is not Galloway.

Not sure that you want to discount him as a player. He is not the Kobe/MJ, but there is no reason why he can't be that second guard who makes some Js and plays some hard nose D.

He is a much better shooter than he showed last year.

He should never be your featured guard, and might not be a starter at some point, but he is the type of player who gets about 20-25 MPG on a good team and has some big moments. Phil's teams have always had this kind of player.

I still think of him as a late #1 who we traded for, last year.

crzymdups wrote:Wow, this is actually somewhat terrifying.

In what way is this team "covered" at lead guard.

The more Phil talks, the more he sounds like a dinosaur intent on proving that dinosaurs once ruled the planet.

I fear for this draft.

Now if you had said "he seems like a dinosaur intent on proving dinosaurs will once again rule the planet," you might have an good analogy.

Guys misunderstand where he is coming from...partly his fault- but he is still misunderstood on the matter.

tj23 wrote:There's been way too much talk from Phil about filling positions. This team needs everything. Even if a deal is set for Monroe it shouldn't affect the draft at all. I am terrified right now. At least the health concerns with Stein should push him out of the mix.

Signing Monroe might be influenced by who we take, I don't think Monroe's availability will have any influence on who we take.