nixluva wrote:It's pretty much the same things I've been saying I think Phil should do. I don't know if this is Phil testing the waters to see how people respond. It would seem like that is one explanation for Rosen talking this much about what Phil should do in his mind. I can't imagine that Phil hasn't said something to him about his comments in the past, so if he's still talking then it must be with Phil's blessing. But is it a trial balloon or just a smokescreen?
Is this Phil leaking his intentions or just putting out some propaganda to throw others off the trail. It sure sounds like something Phil would actually be inclined to do. If we see Towns, Okafor and Russell go 1, 2, 3, then I would think this is a real possibility.

Monroe and Stein would make a lot of sense. I would hope Phil could add another pick in this draft or trade down and grab more assets, but in the end I think he'd be looking for this kind of front court with Melo. I have to think Phil wants another pick in this draft and will get one.

First of all, thanks Nix for helping me out with how to post links on here cause I wouldn't of been able to post this without your help. Your gotta believe that Rosen definitely has some insight on what Phil is thinking but he also doesn't know how the draft is gonna fall and what trade offers we'll be getting but i've also been ok with the WCS/Monroe combo down low and think each one gives what the other doesn't so they could make a great team down low. I'm hoping Phil gets the perfect trade down offer which gives us a veteran to start right away and a draft pick or multiple draft picks that can also help us. I can't wait for the draft to get here and with as much bad that has happened with our Knicks over the last however many i hope we make up for some of that and things go in a great way for us in this draft and free agency.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's pretty much the same things I've been saying I think Phil should do. I don't know if this is Phil testing the waters to see how people respond. It would seem like that is one explanation for Rosen talking this much about what Phil should do in his mind. I can't imagine that Phil hasn't said something to him about his comments in the past, so if he's still talking then it must be with Phil's blessing. But is it a trial balloon or just a smokescreen?
Is this Phil leaking his intentions or just putting out some propaganda to throw others off the trail. It sure sounds like something Phil would actually be inclined to do. If we see Towns, Okafor and Russell go 1, 2, 3, then I would think this is a real possibility.

Monroe and Stein would make a lot of sense. I would hope Phil could add another pick in this draft or trade down and grab more assets, but in the end I think he'd be looking for this kind of front court with Melo. I have to think Phil wants another pick in this draft and will get one.

We've all suspected this is the plan for a while now. Maybe Rosen reads this board.

Rosen was pretty high on Monroe months ago. He's a pretty close friend of Phil for a LONG time. I can't understand the purpose of this kind of talk if not to test the waters of public opinion or as a smokescreen. Why say all of this before the draft that your friend is about to enter if it's exactly what Phil intends on doing? Phil can't say this stuff but Rosen can.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

I'd love to see Shved, Carroll or Danny Green in the SL and Ajinca off the bench added to that mix.

I really want Shved back but we haven't heard one single thing about him from the Knicks camp or any New York reporters or anyone. I think he'd be really good with Monroe and Melo to dish it off to when he's making his drives to the basket. I think a lot of people don't take into account how much better a lot of these guys like Timmy and Calderon will be with actual talent around them. Playing on a good team with good players around you helps you out mentally which is a huge part of the game especially shooters.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:this article reads like Briggs' worst nightmare.

Well if we plan to do battle with Monroe Calderon svhyed Carmelo and Stein will be shred to pieces. I guess the team does believe stein can guard 5 positions at once.

How many flaws here. Too many to count. We'd get destroyed in transition. If we're going to pick Stein than juzt leave him at C. T says Stein is up to 250 must give him space let him
play 5 and give him time to work. If we can do that trade where we get 6-13 and somehow we pi k up Stein and Kaminsky or Turner I'd rather go that angle. Calderon is a bust.

I can live with Stein at 5 Without MONROE -- dedicating to both is not my cup of tea. We need to think of pace tempo spacing and penetration. Stein did not work well on offense with a clogged lane I DO think he has potential as a pure 5 IF we spread the floor and speed up tempo. I once saw Stein play the 5 against providence two years ago where he was the guy and he played great.If we can get that type of action from the 5 Wed be fine. Anyone can see Stein did NOT work well on offense with other interior offensive players. If we dedicate pick 4 then give him the 5

I love the 2 nd rd of this draft. I really believe we can score big for minimal investment. 4 year players who can help now and make us a mu h deeper team. We need some size speed athletiscm and 3 point shooting that we can acquire in a smart way through all areas free agency the d league 2 nd rd and udfa looking overseas and potentially using our cap space as a way to facilitate trades and or absorb contracts.

I can see where a team using a faster tempo could use Stein. I don't think the NBA is going in the direction of 2 interior 7 footers with slow perimeter players.

Enjoy the day

Ugh.........Geesh.......that is all.

callmened wrote:i dont mind drafting WCS but just not at #4. trading down to acquire a starting PG and adding WCS is fine. this same philosophy of monroe paired with another defensive big didnt exactly work in detroit. but i think alot of that was poor guard play. we would need to add decent guard play then

Yeah but you can't go by what Monroe did at the 4 spot with Drummond at the 5 to how he'd be with WCS at the 4 spot and him playing the 5. WCS and Drummond are opposites in their style of play so you never know if it would work or not.

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

not in this era of basketball...i don't see what you guys see, but this is as bad as Tyson , melo and amare

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

not in this era of basketball...i don't see what you guys see, but this is as bad as Tyson , melo and amare

Amare was a selfish dude who just did not fit playing next to a ball stopper like Carmelo. Monroe is an excellent passer who does have an inside out game; and we all know how Stein can earn his bread and butter.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

not in this era of basketball...i don't see what you guys see, but this is as bad as Tyson , melo and amare

Amare was a selfish dude who just did not fit playing next to a ball stopper like Carmelo. Monroe is an excellent passer who does have an inside out game; and we all know how Stein can earn his bread and butter.

Monroe's passing is HIGHLY under appreciated.

with passing like that, you would have thought that detroit wouldn't lose a game.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

not in this era of basketball...i don't see what you guys see, but this is as bad as Tyson , melo and amare

One of the rare occasions I agree with 1248. We just dismantled this type of flawed roster. Why would Phil put a younger version of it right back in place?

I hope Phil is just blowing smoke and will take the BPA based on his board. If it's not a good fit, he can make alterations after the fact or (more likely) trade the player for something else. But picking WCS at #4 only works if we have the exact trade we want lined up already. And now with his health concerns, even less enthusiastic about the pick.

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blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

not in this era of basketball...i don't see what you guys see, but this is as bad as Tyson , melo and amare

I used to agree with that, but the more I read into WCS the more I realize his strength on offense is his jumpshot. And he's used to playing on the perimeter, which is why his rebounding numbers are low. He's somebody that will be all over the court, verses Tyson was only opporating in the post, and he was afraid to shoot. Now will Monroe and Melo look like Amari and Melo? Thats another question! But Stein is no Tyson Chandler....Stein is comfortable playing all over the court! And he already showed that he can hit that mid range jumper and even a few 3's...Nobody will be around him, so it will be similar to his shooting video. All the attention will be on Melo and Monroe.

You were a ball player. You've played with guys who could do things in practice that they could not do in a real game. Watch Stein play in actual games- you cannot count on him in the offensive end, at all. There are full games available on YouTube you can watch. Won't even bring up the DExpress weaknesses video for him, which is very scary given the fact that he is one of the older players being considered in the top 10.

He has no post up game despite his physical maturity, quickness, and length.

There is a reason why Stein was never given a chance to be an offensive focus in the 3 years he played at KU, and folks should give some thought to this fact.

Kentucky had an interior heavy team that played team ball, but it was "bully" ball to a great extent. They basically had one shooter with a consistent jumper on the team, and Stein and Lyles never showed the consistency in their Js that cause Calipari to feature them on anything nearing a consistent basis.

You might have let Towns play around the foul line and go inside outside with Stein, because Towns has an excellent outside shot, but Stein has no consistent post game, as mentioned above, despite his 3 yeas playing against all those good Kentucky bigs.

I'll say this one more time. In Stein's 3 years with Kentucky, their best finish was when he was injured and unable to be on the court, and in what can be considered the two biggest games of his basketball life- KU's victory over Wichita State,and their loss to Wisconsin, he was a complete non-factor in those and almost invisible...quite a feat for with his physical presence.

I can't argue any of you guys points because I'm not that familiar with stein, other than him benefiting from playing with Towns.

Whats scary is that Phil thinks calderone is good enough to be our starter next season, he doesn't realize the injury thing is a direct reflection of him being 34 yr old and taking much more time to heal.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Music to my ears. Carmelo, Stein and Monroe would be a winning front court

not in this era of basketball...i don't see what you guys see, but this is as bad as Tyson , melo and amare

Amare was a selfish dude who just did not fit playing next to a ball stopper like Carmelo. Monroe is an excellent passer who does have an inside out game; and we all know how Stein can earn his bread and butter.

Monroe's passing is HIGHLY under appreciated.

with passing like that, you would have thought that detroit wouldn't lose a game.