WaltLongmire wrote:I doubt that Anthony, at this point in his career, has any value for team with a lottery pick we might desire, since many are in rebuilding mode, too.

Coming off an injury, has a large contract despite the impending cap increases... not sure what value he has at this point.

So a core of Chris Bosh, Goran Dragic, Dwayne Wade and Hassan Whiteside is a lottery team to you? You honestly don't see them as being a top 3 team in a weak Eastern Conference even without Carmelo Anthony?

That aside, Pat Riley has a history of trading players picked in the lottery after drafting them. In 2005, he traded Caron Butler, his 10th pick in a package deal for Shaq. In 2010, he dumped Michael Beasley, his former no.2 overall lottery pick, for the opportunity to sign LeBron James. So how is it a stretch to see him give up the 10th pick in a 4-5 person draft for the opportunity to acquire one of the most dynamic offensive players in the league?

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nyk4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:I doubt that Anthony, at this point in his career, has any value for team with a lottery pick we might desire, since many are in rebuilding mode, too.

Coming off an injury, has a large contract despite the impending cap increases... not sure what value he has at this point.

im not trying to say melo is the most valuable commodity in the league or anything but you don't think he'd have value to a team like the cavs, spurs, rockets or clippers? i know he's coming off injury, but i dont think anyone doubts melo's ability to score. his ability to be a conerstone franchise player is certainly worth arguing over but any contending team would like to have a guy like melo.

Sure, he e would have value to certain teams, but look at the teams you just mentioned- end of the first round slots. The thread is about trying to engineer a trade- doubt Payne would be available that late.

Any of those teams going to have the cap room for him?

Also have to give him an extra $10M to trade him...no?

Not going to get rid of Anthony at this time. Jackson would also looks like a fool for resigning him and then almost immediately trying to dump him.

He is ours, for better or for worse.

So letting Melo walk a season early, instead of locking him up and getting assets at a later date for him is considered to be good business in your opinion?

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:I doubt that Anthony, at this point in his career, has any value for team with a lottery pick we might desire, since many are in rebuilding mode, too.

Coming off an injury, has a large contract despite the impending cap increases... not sure what value he has at this point.

im not trying to say melo is the most valuable commodity in the league or anything but you don't think he'd have value to a team like the cavs, spurs, rockets or clippers? i know he's coming off injury, but i dont think anyone doubts melo's ability to score. his ability to be a conerstone franchise player is certainly worth arguing over but any contending team would like to have a guy like melo.

Sure, he e would have value to certain teams, but look at the teams you just mentioned- end of the first round slots. The thread is about trying to engineer a trade- doubt Payne would be available that late.

Any of those teams going to have the cap room for him?

Also have to give him an extra $10M to trade him...no?

Not going to get rid of Anthony at this time. Jackson would also looks like a fool for resigning him and then almost immediately trying to dump him.

He is ours, for better or for worse.

So letting Melo walk a season early, instead of locking him up and getting assets at a later date for him is considered to be good business in your opinion?

Problem is that he has a no trade cause that will cost us. Also wonder how that option year would influence what we could do in terms of a trade.

There would be a point where I would say trade him before the trade deadline, just think we are very far from that now, and the other kinds of trades would be difficult to make, IMO.

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:I doubt that Anthony, at this point in his career, has any value for team with a lottery pick we might desire, since many are in rebuilding mode, too.

Coming off an injury, has a large contract despite the impending cap increases... not sure what value he has at this point.

So a core of Chris Bosh, Goran Dragic, Dwayne Wade and Hassan Whiteside is a lottery team to you? You honestly don't see them as being a top 3 team in a weak Eastern Conference even without Carmelo Anthony?

That aside, Pat Riley has a history of trading players picked in the lottery after drafting them. In 2005, he traded Caron Butler, his 10th pick in a package deal for Shaq. In 2010, he dumped Michael Beasley, his former no.2 overall lottery pick, for the opportunity to sign LeBron James. So how is it a stretch to see him give up the 10th pick in a 4-5 person draft for the opportunity to acquire one of the most dynamic offensive players in the league?

How do they fit him in under their cap?

Miami is a better team than their record, assuming Bosh is OK and Dragic comes back, but you figure that they will have a rather large payroll...no? $77M with Wade and Dragic having player options. I'm not a cap person, but how do they bring Anthony?

I would not mind something happening, but I don't think it can happen, IMO.

Loul Deng makes $10 million per. Josh McRoberts makes $5 million. Mario Chalmers makes $4 million per. Shabazz Napier makes about $1.5 million. That totals $20.5 million

Melo makes $23 million. Salaries of incoming/outgoing salaries need to be in 25% of each other, which these salaries are. Unloading Calderon becomes the tricky part though. It could be remedied by having the Heat give up Chris Andersen and us signing and trading Cole Aldrich in the process. I don't think that'd be an issue though because the Heat are below the tax apron...for now. And at this point in their respective careers, I think that Cole Aldrich is the better player being a full decade younger and with a higher PER. In any case, their rotation would still be relatively intact, so I don't see any potential impediments with the deal.

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:I doubt that Anthony, at this point in his career, has any value for team with a lottery pick we might desire, since many are in rebuilding mode, too.

Coming off an injury, has a large contract despite the impending cap increases... not sure what value he has at this point.

im not trying to say melo is the most valuable commodity in the league or anything but you don't think he'd have value to a team like the cavs, spurs, rockets or clippers? i know he's coming off injury, but i dont think anyone doubts melo's ability to score. his ability to be a conerstone franchise player is certainly worth arguing over but any contending team would like to have a guy like melo.

Sure, he e would have value to certain teams, but look at the teams you just mentioned- end of the first round slots. The thread is about trying to engineer a trade- doubt Payne would be available that late.

Any of those teams going to have the cap room for him?

Also have to give him an extra $10M to trade him...no?

Not going to get rid of Anthony at this time. Jackson would also looks like a fool for resigning him and then almost immediately trying to dump him.

He is ours, for better or for worse.

So letting Melo walk a season early, instead of locking him up and getting assets at a later date for him is considered to be good business in your opinion?

Of course I would think about doing such a thing. I was actually hoping that we traded him to Chicago, but that did not happen, and I will have to figure that we will have him the duration of his contract, even if I hope we don't.

Problem is that he has a no trade cause that will cost us. Also wonder how that option year would influence what we could do in terms of a trade.

There would be a point where I would say trade him before the trade deadline, just think we are very far from that now, and the other kinds of trades would be difficult to make, IMO.

I preferred to trade Melo to the Bulls last season as well. Mirotic, the 16th (Jusuf Nurkic), 19th (Gary Harris) and possibly Tony Snell would've been a nice little cache of youth to jump start our rebuild with one of the top 4 prospects from this year's draft.

When that never materialized though, I thought the clear and obvious option was to re-sign and then attempt to move him for assets at a later date. Simply letting him walk could never be an option because we'd literally have nothing to build the team with. We'd be in a worse position than even the Nets: no picks, no young prospects and no players with any real value.