BRIGGS wrote:and he hit the table for him--I think the Knicks would listen. After years of listening to the players talk about moves usually they have it wrong. In this case I would hope Carmelo takes the time to really study Porzingis--give him a call and talk to him. Workout with him. Because if melo was really tight on it if he laid down the gambit here--I think its possible we could get him.

Were NOT winning the title next year--he knows that. The best case scenario is a starting gate and why wouldnt he want the best player--not the best role player or best one way player--but overall the best long term talent? POrzingis played well in the pros already. Im starting to think if he and Hezonja played in the US they both be in the top 3 or 4. Think about it Porzingis is a starting 7-2 C/PF for Florida and he avg 21-9-4-2 where does he go in this draft?

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Carmelo wanted Porzingis....

Carmelo Anthony is a disgrace as a "franchise" player.

He is a complete and utter disgrace.

He had a long term contract with the Knicks, then risked further injury against the backdrop of those future years, to keep playing, to play in the All Star game for "branding" reasons.

Same player who is selfish, a failure as a leader, doesn't give effort on defense and is chronically in non elite condition. Not to mention about 90 percent of the time he talks to the press, he finds a way to say something stupid and selfish.

When Melo does his typical don't care/don't try/why bother routine on defense, it's not just an insult to the entire team and the entire Knicks franchise, it's spitting in the face of all loyal Knick fans.

It's spitting in your face. It's a disgrace.

That there are a good number of people on this board who actively want to enable that kind of craptastic show of "leadership" is just plain bizarre.

Who cares what Melo wants.

Because EVERY SINGLE TIME THE KNICKS GAVE MELO WHAT HE WANTED, THE TEAM GOT WORSE AND WORSE.

If a player wants the benefits of being a "franchise player" including having massive input into the personnel on the roster, then said player needs to MAKE THE SACRIFICES EXPECTED OF TRUE LEADERSHIP TO EARN THAT VOICE.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and he hit the table for him--I think the Knicks would listen. After years of listening to the players talk about moves usually they have it wrong. In this case I would hope Carmelo takes the time to really study Porzingis--give him a call and talk to him. Workout with him. Because if melo was really tight on it if he laid down the gambit here--I think its possible we could get him.

Were NOT winning the title next year--he knows that. The best case scenario is a starting gate and why wouldnt he want the best player--not the best role player or best one way player--but overall the best long term talent? POrzingis played well in the pros already. Im starting to think if he and Hezonja played in the US they both be in the top 3 or 4. Think about it Porzingis is a starting 7-2 C/PF for Florida and he avg 21-9-4-2 where does he go in this draft?

OK BRIGGS you're really getting crazy with these scenarios. We don't really know if KrisP will be there and we can't control that, so it's a moot point to want Melo to be buddying up with him. What would be the point?

As for not winning the title. Melo isn't thinking long term. He's trying to get to a title next year if possible. He's not going to just accept that the team can't contend next year or the year after. He's only got so many years left. He's not gonna care about 3 or 5 years down the road.

Nixluva the Knicks have NO chance of winning a title next year--we just won 18 games--barely. Come on now your a Grandpa now show the wisdom!

It's not about whether the team realistically has a chance to win the Title next year. Melo isn't going to just accept that there's no chance and go for a long term project. You're asking him to just waste dwindling years of his career. That's why he made the statement about 19 yr old PG's. He's only going to be concerned with the few years he has left and hoping the Knicks put the best product together that they can. That's how he's likely to be thinking.

BRIGGS wrote:I think a lot of teams have seen the light on Porzinigis. Bets laid plans--can always be thrown out the window. I think anyone should look at Pau Gasol or Dirks physical appearance at 19--they look the same as Kristaps. Chad for called Kristaps a version of KD Dirk and Pau combined and I think we can all see where hes coming from. Hey until I saw his workout and just how nimble lengthy and skilled he was he was only a passing thought. Hes better than Frank Kaminsky Stein Winslow Mudiay etc... I URGE the Knicks to go for this player as a home run type pick. This is a franchise player here who can play BOTh sides of the ball. Other than Towns is there anyone in this draft who is an adept big highly skilled on both ends who can play the way you need to in the modern NBA? The NBA is changing--you really only need 1 big man to start and that big man cant be slow.

wargames wrote:After Weiss, Barg, and too a lesser extent Gallo the idea of the knicks picking a tall, skinny European player at #4 will get the knicks slaughtered in the paper.

S-L-A-U-G-H-T-E-R-E-D!!!

For Phil to likely do that he would have to beyond a shadow of doubt think Porzingis is the BPA and that they can get him up to NBA speed quickly. So if he picks him at #4 I would have very high expectations for Porzingis.

newyorker4ever wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Carmelo wanted Porzingis....

Carmelo Anthony is a disgrace as a "franchise" player.

He is a complete and utter disgrace.

He had a long term contract with the Knicks, then risked further injury against the backdrop of those future years, to keep playing, to play in the All Star game for "branding" reasons.

Same player who is selfish, a failure as a leader, doesn't give effort on defense and is chronically in non elite condition. Not to mention about 90 percent of the time he talks to the press, he finds a way to say something stupid and selfish.

When Melo does his typical don't care/don't try/why bother routine on defense, it's not just an insult to the entire team and the entire Knicks franchise, it's spitting in the face of all loyal Knick fans.

It's spitting in your face. It's a disgrace.

That there are a good number of people on this board who actively want to enable that kind of craptastic show of "leadership" is just plain bizarre.

Who cares what Melo wants.

Because EVERY SINGLE TIME THE KNICKS GAVE MELO WHAT HE WANTED, THE TEAM GOT WORSE AND WORSE.

If a player wants the benefits of being a "franchise player" including having massive input into the personnel on the roster, then said player needs to MAKE THE SACRIFICES EXPECTED OF TRUE LEADERSHIP TO EARN THAT VOICE.

Wow talk about over reacting and saying things that are absolutely untrue. There's too much wrong with this post to go through it with my disagreements but this is a ignorant post.

Oh good he's turned this into another Melo sucks/is evil thread zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Kevin Garnett: “I love his face-up game. He’s got that mid-range shot. I’ve seen a lot of tape where he plays against guys like Shaq [O’Neal], a guy he can’t bang inside with. So faces up, does his little step-back move … Amazing.”

Los Angeles Lakers officials conducted a workout of Porzingis on Monday night at the franchise’s El Segundo, Calif., practice facility, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Suddenly, Porzingis is pursuing the Lakers’ pick at No. 2, along with spectacular Ohio State guard D’Angelo Russell and Duke’s Jahlil Okafor. Suddenly, Porzingis is changing this NBA draft.

H1AND1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and he hit the table for him--I think the Knicks would listen. After years of listening to the players talk about moves usually they have it wrong. In this case I would hope Carmelo takes the time to really study Porzingis--give him a call and talk to him. Workout with him. Because if melo was really tight on it if he laid down the gambit here--I think its possible we could get him.

Were NOT winning the title next year--he knows that. The best case scenario is a starting gate and why wouldnt he want the best player--not the best role player or best one way player--but overall the best long term talent? POrzingis played well in the pros already. Im starting to think if he and Hezonja played in the US they both be in the top 3 or 4. Think about it Porzingis is a starting 7-2 C/PF for Florida and he avg 21-9-4-2 where does he go in this draft?

Carmelo sitting down somewhere watching Porzingis workout videos...I think we can safely file that away in the BRIGGS Draft Fever Dream archive along with "The Knicks Trading up to 3 so They Can Draft Stein" and "Kaminsky as the Neo Bird" threads...

Nalod wrote:does melo have influence and a voice, or are we just speculating?

It was one of the things he asked for when he was a FA last summer, so you'd think Phil told him he'd be involved. Which is why I felt Melo hanging out with Winslow and going to see Okafor play was significant, a little. Who knows how much Phil will actually listen to him. Hopefully not too much, but good teams do consult their big players about who to bring in.

Carmelo Anthony will be a free agent this offseason and is weighing re-signing with the New York Knicks amid expected interest from the Chicago Bulls, Houston Rockets and others.

The Knicks have limited roster flexibility this offseason, but could have significant cap space in 2015.

"As far as player personnel goes, I would love to be involved in that," said Anthony. "At the end of the day, you're creating a family."

Anthony spoke of how his family impacts his decision.

"Do you want your kids to grow up in that place and that city? Do I want to spend to the rest of my career in that situation in that city. So all of that stuff comes into play."

Anthony also explained how the decision goes beyond whether he will be in a position to win a title in 14-15.

"We're looking at the big picture here now, you're looking at the next six to eight years of your career, at the end of your career at that."

knicks1248 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Carmelo wanted Porzingis....

Carmelo Anthony is a disgrace as a "franchise" player.

He is a complete and utter disgrace.

He had a long term contract with the Knicks, then risked further injury against the backdrop of those future years, to keep playing, to play in the All Star game for "branding" reasons.

Same player who is selfish, a failure as a leader, doesn't give effort on defense and is chronically in non elite condition. Not to mention about 90 percent of the time he talks to the press, he finds a way to say something stupid and selfish.

When Melo does his typical don't care/don't try/why bother routine on defense, it's not just an insult to the entire team and the entire Knicks franchise, it's spitting in the face of all loyal Knick fans.

It's spitting in your face. It's a disgrace.

That there are a good number of people on this board who actively want to enable that kind of craptastic show of "leadership" is just plain bizarre.

Who cares what Melo wants.

Because EVERY SINGLE TIME THE KNICKS GAVE MELO WHAT HE WANTED, THE TEAM GOT WORSE AND WORSE.

If a player wants the benefits of being a "franchise player" including having massive input into the personnel on the roster, then said player needs to MAKE THE SACRIFICES EXPECTED OF TRUE LEADERSHIP TO EARN THAT VOICE.

what exactly did the knicks give him other than money, and if your crucifying melo, what about the person that signed him. And for god sake, he's not a franchise player in any shape or form..he's a hired gun

I think Melo is a tier 2 franchise player. You can build a good team around him - as evidenced by his 2009 WCF Denver team and the 54 win Knicks team. But you NEED to build a good team around him. You can't just roll the ball out there and hope for the best the way you can with Lebron. I think he gets unfairly compared to Lebron.