anrst wrote:so glad they got exposed as what we knew they were

I know, now the media will have to make do with it's "Steph Curry and Kerr were almost Knicks" crying!

JR was only motivated during the season to get back at the knicks. Once that motivation wore off, he was back to the old JR. Must have found some hole in the wall spots in Cleveland, after he proclaimed there was nothing to do. Eventually social media will catch up to him and before long he will get plugged in.

I lived in Tucson, AZ for 10 years....You would think theres nothing to do, but you would be wrong.

After a few "Next man up" and it was JR's turn the laughing free spirited moron had to buckle down down and play playoff basketball. He playes well loose but the games they were in it he had to knock down his shots and did not.
Not every player has the winning DNA. Im curious if Lebron wants him back next year.

JR was a cast off free agent when we got him and we dumped his ass for basially nothing. Shump's value decreased and he played about to his level with the knicks the last half of the season. He is an average NBA player and one we are not interested in resigning. Not much trade value there.

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Removing Cancer hurts.....Whenever you have surgery to remove something from your body, it's alwasy a life threating thing. But once you heal, you feel much better.

Phil wasn't going to pay them any real money or even give them a new contract. Also adding talent just to add talent is not how you build a team. JR had to go....and he should've went a long time ago. Shump is a different story, but he got sucked in just to get rid of JR. Also, I doubt Phil was going to give Shump a new contract. Nobody will be cutting the line to sign these guys. If phil wants them back, we have enough money in the tank. These guys are roaches in a large farm. We need consistency as we move forward.....These guys are the true definition of inconsistency.

Who said Thompson deserves that contract? Thats GS problem.....We have enough problems on our plate than to worry about someone elese. As JZ said "What you eat don't make me sh!t...."

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Shump and JR played statistically to where they were in NY where they had no future.

The benchmark of any success is that you accomplish your own goals and focus on that. Its why so many fail at investing, they get greedy and don't make goals.

Rosey wrote:JR and Shumpert are basically bench players on a good team and it showed. JR has been immature his whole life and you can't expect him to change at this point. No real loss for the Knicks but I do feel Phil should have gotten a little more in the deal - perhaps a 2015 or 2016 2nd round pick.
Also agree with the post that cited Shaun Livingston. An unsung pro who I felt was one of the Nets best players back in their 2014 playoffs under JKidd.

Smith commented on how popular he was on social media after the Hovertrac event, Livingston is happy being popular with his coaches, teammates, and GS fans.

Not so strange that players like Barbosa, Iggy, and Livingston- guys with underrated, and forgotten skills and high BB IQs, played such an important role in the series.

I like Shumpert and the effort he gives you, but his game has not matured during his years in the NBA. He is a 15-20MPG off the bench defender who needs an offense which gets him the ball with nobody within 10 ft in order for him to shoot consistently.

JR is JR, and you can't depend on him for consistency.

This was a series where the team with the High BB IQ players with 2-way games won. Hopefully this is a lesson for us come draft time.

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Wrong... because I would rather build my team with Langston Galloway at SG than JR Smith. JR Smith is like a good drug habit. Makes you feel good, everything looks nice, but there is no substance there and finally everything will come crashing down and anything gained by having him will be yanked away in painful fashion.

Bitch and moan about Shumpert if you want. We could have sold high. Phil wanted to look at him apparently and eventually he was the price for moving JR. That being said we werent keeping Shump either. What are you resigning Shump for?

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JR's shooting in the finals.

Shump? He played good defense in the playoffs. We all knew he could do that. He also shot 36%. We all knew he could do that also. Expensive role players.

Whats JR's excuse this time? He was hurt again? He wasnt partying too hard because everyone does it? The guy is total trash and regardless of our record we are much much better off having him off the roster. See ya.

You have your blinders on as usual...Dude is not a max player but you want him to act like one...He is a role player who is effective with the right pieces in place..He isn't a one on one demon which the Cavs are currently running..He is better in a drive and kick environment..But are Knicks better..We will see...Galloway, the D league savior...

No, I KNOW he's a role player. Do you see me trashing Shump? No, because he's a role player. He defends and takes the shots that come to him. Usually he misses them, but he gets hot now and then. Asking Shump to step up and score 15+ a game isnt fair. Your 100% right about that. JR? He thinks he's a max guy. He thinks every shot is a good shot. He's a bad player, and he shot the Knicks right out of the postseason and he shot the Cavs right out of the finals.... but yea... blinders.

Sorry.. Galloway is a better player, and yes the Knicks are better with Galloway and without JR. Galloway knows his role. JR 100% believes he should be getting 20 shots a game.

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Wrong... because I would rather build my team with Langston Galloway at SG than JR Smith. JR Smith is like a good drug habit. Makes you feel good, everything looks nice, but there is no substance there and finally everything will come crashing down and anything gained by having him will be yanked away in painful fashion.

Bitch and moan about Shumpert if you want. We could have sold high. Phil wanted to look at him apparently and eventually he was the price for moving JR. That being said we werent keeping Shump either. What are you resigning Shump for?

5-15
5-15
2-12
4-9
5-13
3-13

JR's shooting in the finals.

Shump? He played good defense in the playoffs. We all knew he could do that. He also shot 36%. We all knew he could do that also. Expensive role players.

Whats JR's excuse this time? He was hurt again? He wasnt partying too hard because everyone does it? The guy is total trash and regardless of our record we are much much better off having him off the roster. See ya.

You have your blinders on as usual...Dude is not a max player but you want him to act like one...He is a role player who is effective with the right pieces in place..He isn't a one on one demon which the Cavs are currently running..He is better in a drive and kick environment..But are Knicks better..We will see...Galloway, the D league savior...

No.. I want him to be consistent. If he played like a role player fine, but he doesnt. He's a guy who will take 20+ shots a game if you let him. He will take 30 shots a game if you let him.

No, I KNOW he's a role player. Do you see me trashing Shump? No, because he's a role player. He defends and takes the shots that come to him. Usually he misses them, but he gets hot now and then. Asking Shump to step up and score 15+ a game isnt fair. Your 100% right about that. JR? He thinks he's a max guy. He thinks every shot is a good shot. He's a bad player, and he shot the Knicks right out of the postseason and he shot the Cavs right out of the finals.... but yea... blinders.

Sorry.. Galloway is a better player, and yes the Knicks are better with Galloway and without JR. Galloway knows his role. JR 100% believes he should be getting 20 shots a game.

That's the point if he was consistent he would be an all star...I would love to see Galloway help take a team to the Finals and win sixth man of the year...It would be great for us..But not likely..

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Now Lebron knows why we gave him JR for practically nothing. Dude shows up for a few games and then when you need him most he lets you down. This is not like it's the only time he's done this in the post season. You just can't depend on JR. He's like a mirage in the desert. You're dying of thirst and it looks so appealing that you expend all your energy to make to the Oasis and it just fades away. All you get with JR is a mouth fool of sand.

phil still did a bad job on that trade. Needed to get more

He wanted cap space and picks. I think he was resigned to the tank at that point. The only thing that should have been done was ,owing Shump the previous year at the deadline.

Cap space doesn't make sense because you going to have to pay twice as much to replace the talent..Shved might command 5 mil per and he isn't close to any of those type of players...

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Phil must feel good about their performance. I'm sure he was getting back lash behind close doors about JR and Shump leading the Cavs to the finals. I'm sure he lit cigar after that championship game. Hopefully people are back on the Phil wagon. Now lets see if he can get us a few rings before both legs give out on him.

Thats all silly..JR and Shump are big time role players for them..They aren't saviors..Nothing to feel good about...Almost all players FG drops in the playoffs...Klay Thompson had a bad Finals as well..How come no one is talking about the 17 mil he is getting ready to make...You are asking JR and Shump to perform like max players and feel vindication when they don't...

Question is do we have talent on our roster who is better or can replace those two in their roles..Answer is a resounding no...Yet we fell great about their poor performance while we are worse as a result of the trade...

Wrong... because I would rather build my team with Langston Galloway at SG than JR Smith. JR Smith is like a good drug habit. Makes you feel good, everything looks nice, but there is no substance there and finally everything will come crashing down and anything gained by having him will be yanked away in painful fashion.

Bitch and moan about Shumpert if you want. We could have sold high. Phil wanted to look at him apparently and eventually he was the price for moving JR. That being said we werent keeping Shump either. What are you resigning Shump for?

5-15
5-15
2-12
4-9
5-13
3-13

JR's shooting in the finals.

Shump? He played good defense in the playoffs. We all knew he could do that. He also shot 36%. We all knew he could do that also. Expensive role players.

Whats JR's excuse this time? He was hurt again? He wasnt partying too hard because everyone does it? The guy is total trash and regardless of our record we are much much better off having him off the roster. See ya.

You have your blinders on as usual...Dude is not a max player but you want him to act like one...He is a role player who is effective with the right pieces in place..He isn't a one on one demon which the Cavs are currently running..He is better in a drive and kick environment..But are Knicks better..We will see...Galloway, the D league savior...

No.. I want him to be consistent. If he played like a role player fine, but he doesnt. He's a guy who will take 20+ shots a game if you let him. He will take 30 shots a game if you let him.

No, I KNOW he's a role player. Do you see me trashing Shump? No, because he's a role player. He defends and takes the shots that come to him. Usually he misses them, but he gets hot now and then. Asking Shump to step up and score 15+ a game isnt fair. Your 100% right about that. JR? He thinks he's a max guy. He thinks every shot is a good shot. He's a bad player, and he shot the Knicks right out of the postseason and he shot the Cavs right out of the finals.... but yea... blinders.

Sorry.. Galloway is a better player, and yes the Knicks are better with Galloway and without JR. Galloway knows his role. JR 100% believes he should be getting 20 shots a game.

That's the point if he was consistent he would be an all star...I would love to see Galloway help take a team to the Finals and win sixth man of the year...It would be great for us..But not likely..

Who do you think Pops would want on SA...Smith or Galloway?

Perhaps the real question, though, is that, based on his comments after the game, who would James would want on the Cavs next year if he could choose from the two?