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LivingLegend
Posts: 25763 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 8/13/2007 Member: #1645 |
6/14/2015 9:10 AM LAST EDITED: 6/14/2015 9:12 AM
Lol with you guys and the Bargs compare - you haven't done ANY homework on Zingy.
This kid is a far superior athlete to Bargs - not even close. Where they do compare is with the shooting but in my estimation Zingy will be better. If you watch numerous (not just 1) game tapes of Zingy you'll see that he is coherent defensively, that he can defend pick and roll and smaller players. You'll also see that he is very active around the rim contesting and blocking shots. I read some stat that his team was 5 points better when he was on the court defensively. Also people knock his rebounding #s which I think we're 4.8 per game but the top guy only avg 6.2. People are trying to convey stats from Europe to us hoops but game is different. Zingy will be a load defensively down the road - he's too long, too athletic and too tough not to be. Bargs he is not. Bargs is doing the exact same things you see in that video - he's never taken a step to add or improve his game. Zingy loves the game and will be a much better player. |
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s3231
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #544 USA |
6/14/2015 9:20 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. Not bad but KP is still on another level of athleticism in my book. "This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
6/14/2015 9:24 AM
s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. You think Porzingis could do that stuff in Bargs dunk video right now? Or are you projecting growth for him over time? |
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
6/14/2015 9:24 AM
For me, Bargs is on of the great enigmas of the NBA, another guy with a ton of talent whose problem was in his head, not his ability. You still see hints that he could have been a great player- but he never address his weaknesses, and his decision making is less than stellar.
I know realtors always talk about location, location. Also applies to Bargs, who might have been talked about differently if had been drafted 15th, instead of 1st. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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Ilovestarks
Posts: 20047 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/3/2015 Member: #6058 |
6/14/2015 9:26 AM
Looks like everyone are after krisP, after this workout...http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/13/8775675/kristaps-porzingis-had-an-amazing-workout-against-no-one
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
6/14/2015 9:46 AM
blkexec wrote:So far.....the two best workout videos are WCS and Porzingis. Thats not by accident. They have something to prove. You're speaking like NBA GMs have not watched him play extensively. Hope you don't think they will draft him just because of the workout...do you? My understanding is he had commitments from at least one team LAST year to get drafted in the lottery if he had stayed in the draft. Hinkie and Saunders have both personally seen him play in Europe on multiple occasions. Said this somewhere else, some of you guys are acting like he was a volleyball player until last year and only decided to play BB because he kept on getting caught in the volleyball net going up to spike. Given his background, you should think of him more as an American player in his approach to the game. Whoever takes him is not taking him because of the other day without having scouted him during the 2.5 years he played in Europe. Knicks had Gaines- the scout Jackson trusts the most- and others watching him in game situation, just as they had guys watching Mudiay. We, as fans, were just unaware of everyone who Phil were looking at over the past year, except for the well documented knowledge that Phil had scouted Russell and we had sent scouts to KU practices.
We will get to choose one of these guys at 4, depending upon Minny, Philly, and LA of course: OK4, Russell, Porzingis, Mudiay, or Winslow. Not a bad group to choose from, and much better most of us expected after the ping pong balls betrayed us. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
6/14/2015 10:11 AM
The differences I see in KrisP n Bargs is KrisP is a little more athletic but they're basically the same player. What make KrisP a possible better prospect is I believe he wants to be great. Desire is the missing ingredient with Bargs. Not talent. Bargs has great talent but a lack of desire to be great. If KrisP has that desire he can be what Bargs was supposed to be.
That still doesn't mean he's the right pick for NY. This place chews players up and spits em out. 2 years of development is an eternity in NY. I don't think this is a good place to put a kid like KrisP. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30169 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/14/2015 10:15 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Has anyone ever seen one player like this with these skills and this length in their life? And we have a chance to get him? How much does Anthony Davis weigh again? Bargs is more of an awkward dude. I don't know if I want Porzingis at #4 either as of yet. I would need to be very confident in his ability to defend and rebound before I pulled the trigger if I was Phil. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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s3231
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #544 USA |
6/14/2015 10:20 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. Yeah, I do think he can do that stuff in the Bargs dunk video plus even more right now. His athleticism is off the charts for someone his size and he can become an alley-op machine at the next level with his wingspan. He moves a lot more fluidly than Bargs does (or even then Gallo did at that age).
"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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s3231
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #544 USA |
6/14/2015 10:23 AM LAST EDITED: 6/14/2015 10:25 AM
nixluva wrote:The differences I see in KrisP n Bargs is KrisP is a little more athletic but they're basically the same player. What make KrisP a possible better prospect is I believe he wants to be great. Desire is the missing ingredient with Bargs. Not talent. Bargs has great talent but a lack of desire to be great. If KrisP has that desire he can be what Bargs was supposed to be. Agree that the mental component is the biggest piece because if KP doesn't have that drive, then he may not live up to the hype at all. Think the other difference though in regards to athleticism is that it may bode well for KP's defensive potential (think he has more than Bargs did). Hopefully for this kid's sake, he finds a way to bulk up and do it in a way that doesn't hinder him. "This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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foosballnick
Posts: 21535 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/17/2010 Member: #3148 |
6/14/2015 10:24 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. Bargs was drafted #1 overall for a reason. Do you think it's talent and athleticism that's held him from performing or is it perhaps desire and injuries? These guys are not robots. What often separates the best is the mental aspect such as desire and work ethic. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30169 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/14/2015 10:26 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. Didn't really show much athleticism. Showed length and a jump shot. The main highlight he just threw the ball up not looking and it happen to go in. Not like he had full body control in the air with hang time adjusting mid air to control the layup. Like Bargs, Porzingis as a PNR-PNP big man has all the tools. Catch and shoot, put the ball on the floor, or finish due to length. So he could be a good offensive weapon in that setting. The questions though are all about his ability to defend and rebound. If he can do that then he may be more of a Paul Gasol then a Bargnani. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
6/14/2015 10:30 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Has anyone ever seen one player like this with these skills and this length in their life? And we have a chance to get him? How much does Anthony Davis weigh again? Well of course Bargs would look good in a workout video because he is good. Bargs doesn't get enough credit for how good he really is when he's healthy and he always has been. He has always consistently hit the 15/18 footer which has always been his game but everyone got so down on him because he was always injured not because he didn't produce when he was on the court. The Bargs that we all saw in the last month of the season is the same player he's always been when he was healthy. |
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
6/14/2015 10:33 AM
s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. Athletically the Zinger is clearly better than Bargs. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/14/2015 10:35 AM
The player taken at 4 is the player you think will be the best at his peak. You cannot take a draft pick at 4 for fit perceived readiness or any other factor than who you honestly believe will be best player at that very high spot. It's the advantage of the spot-- your teams ability to hit a ball over the fence. The Knicks have been a singles hitter up here. You can go for role player/ fit etc after 20
RIP Crushalot😞
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
6/14/2015 10:38 AM
Like I said on the other thread, Bargs problem was never talent, its his god-awful attitude and work ethic.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
6/14/2015 10:40 AM
s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:For those making the KP to Bargnani comparisons, I think the athleticism that Porzingis has at this stage separates the two by a bit. Well said and it's like people don't understand that there's ways he can use his size to his advantage even though he's on the thin side. The way the NBA is today if he can use the flop some when these bigger guys are banging on him down low he could use it to get the foul call and he can still rebound and block shots at the size he's at now. I really like this kid and i've been pushing for him from the beginning but is there some hesitation with him?? Of course there is but there is with pretty much all of these kids but this kid comes from a family of basketball players, even his mother played and he talks with a confidence that i like as well in his videos. |