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Knick's Trade Exceptions and Acquiring Extra Picks in This Draft
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newyorker4ever
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6/16/2015  10:22 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
nixluva wrote:If Phil and his team are really slick I think they can finesse the Cap and make some things happen. I still need to learn more about all of this stuff but there are some real tricks you can play with the rules that aren't immediately apparent.


No, there are not.

Most of the loopholes that allow a cash rich team like the Knicks or Lakers to have a previous advantage were all but wiped out in the last labor war.

And for whatever loopholes or bends that do exist, they will be exploited by someone like Daryl Morey, not a first time aging GM like Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson, in that regard, is at a MAJOR DISADVANTAGE compared to most of his GM peers.

Of course at this point, you'll say but look at this article and look at that quote and look at what Phil Jackson said here and look who the Knicks have on Staff. But none of that means ****. Jackson is not seasoned and battle tested and battle hardened when it comes to the NBA salary cap. None of your typical "you don't know what Phil knows" hee haw happy horse**** is going to change that.

It's always amusing, you just admitted you don't know, but whenever that's posited to you, you tell people they are wrong and throw a Phil quote at them.

As I've said before, read the CBA, actually read it, I think you'll find you'll encounter less conflict on your opinions pushed as facts on the board. But that's up to you.


So you're saying that Phil doesn't have anyone in the New York Knicks front offices that can help him with how the NBA salary cap works?? Do you really think that to be true?? I would have to think that there is more than one person there to help him with that and any other part of being a president of a NBA team that he would need help with.
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6/16/2015  10:48 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
nixluva wrote:If Phil and his team are really slick I think they can finesse the Cap and make some things happen. I still need to learn more about all of this stuff but there are some real tricks you can play with the rules that aren't immediately apparent.


No, there are not.

Most of the loopholes that allow a cash rich team like the Knicks or Lakers to have a previous advantage were all but wiped out in the last labor war.

And for whatever loopholes or bends that do exist, they will be exploited by someone like Daryl Morey, not a first time aging GM like Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson, in that regard, is at a MAJOR DISADVANTAGE compared to most of his GM peers.

Of course at this point, you'll say but look at this article and look at that quote and look at what Phil Jackson said here and look who the Knicks have on Staff. But none of that means ****. Jackson is not seasoned and battle tested and battle hardened when it comes to the NBA salary cap. None of your typical "you don't know what Phil knows" hee haw happy horse**** is going to change that.

It's always amusing, you just admitted you don't know, but whenever that's posited to you, you tell people they are wrong and throw a Phil quote at them.

As I've said before, read the CBA, actually read it, I think you'll find you'll encounter less conflict on your opinions pushed as facts on the board. But that's up to you.


So you're saying that Phil doesn't have anyone in the New York Knicks front offices that can help him with how the NBA salary cap works?? Do you really think that to be true?? I would have to think that there is more than one person there to help him with that and any other part of being a president of a NBA team that he would need help with.

Yup...you figure he has someone in his crew with some knowledge about the cap.


I have no idea about cap finagling, (I consider myself to be an educated man, but I get dizzy trying to read some of the stuff out there about this stuff.) but we are going to under the cap significantly...no?

The trade exceptions are for teams to use if they are over the cap, so at some point in July 2015, after the new cap is set and FA begins, our exceptions will essentially be useless.

Seems that if they are used for anything good at this point they will have to be used before or during the draft, and this accounts for Mills' somewhat cryptic post-lottery comment about them designed to make us feel happy about some unfriendly ping pong balls:

“We still have (trade) exceptions that we can use between now and the draft, so we’re talking to teams about a lot of different things, so we’re open to looking at different opportunities to continue to improve our team.”

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6/16/2015  11:20 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
nixluva wrote:If Phil and his team are really slick I think they can finesse the Cap and make some things happen. I still need to learn more about all of this stuff but there are some real tricks you can play with the rules that aren't immediately apparent.


No, there are not.

Most of the loopholes that allow a cash rich team like the Knicks or Lakers to have a previous advantage were all but wiped out in the last labor war.

And for whatever loopholes or bends that do exist, they will be exploited by someone like Daryl Morey, not a first time aging GM like Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson, in that regard, is at a MAJOR DISADVANTAGE compared to most of his GM peers.

Of course at this point, you'll say but look at this article and look at that quote and look at what Phil Jackson said here and look who the Knicks have on Staff. But none of that means ****. Jackson is not seasoned and battle tested and battle hardened when it comes to the NBA salary cap. None of your typical "you don't know what Phil knows" hee haw happy horse**** is going to change that.

It's always amusing, you just admitted you don't know, but whenever that's posited to you, you tell people they are wrong and throw a Phil quote at them.

As I've said before, read the CBA, actually read it, I think you'll find you'll encounter less conflict on your opinions pushed as facts on the board. But that's up to you.


So you're saying that Phil doesn't have anyone in the New York Knicks front offices that can help him with how the NBA salary cap works?? Do you really think that to be true?? I would have to think that there is more than one person there to help him with that and any other part of being a president of a NBA team that he would need help with.

Yup...you figure he has someone in his crew with some knowledge about the cap.


I have no idea about cap finagling, (I consider myself to be an educated man, but I get dizzy trying to read some of the stuff out there about this stuff.) but we are going to under the cap significantly...no?

The trade exceptions are for teams to use if they are over the cap, so at some point in July 2015, after the new cap is set and FA begins, our exceptions will essentially be useless.

Seems that if they are used for anything good at this point they will have to be used before or during the draft, and this accounts for Mills' somewhat cryptic post-lottery comment about them designed to make us feel happy about some unfriendly ping pong balls:

“We still have (trade) exceptions that we can use between now and the draft, so we’re talking to teams about a lot of different things, so we’re open to looking at different opportunities to continue to improve our team.”

Yeah it's silly to think that the Knicks don't have the staff and resources to understand all the ins and outs of the CBA. Phil and his staff have been looking at this for over a year now. They knew this summer's cap situation was coming and have been planning on it. If there's a deal to be made i'm sure they will make it, but if they don't make a deal it's not because they're too stupid to get it done. The right circumstances have to be there and willing partners.

Phil isn't here to come up with complicated deals. He's here to set the vision and direction. He has staff that are more well versed in deal making and the technical aspects of a front office. They get the vision from Phil on what the team needs and then they present the best ideas on players and deals to him. The same way with prospects. Phil isn't traveling the world by himself to see every prospect. We all know this. He's got great scouts doing good work. That's why it's called an organization.

Knick's Trade Exceptions and Acquiring Extra Picks in This Draft

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