Oh man, we'll have someone good available at #4 either way....this workout probably just made our pick a bit more valuable.

Towns
Russell
KrisP
Okafor
Mudiay
Winslow
WCS
Kaminsky

FistOfOakley wrote:guys... it's a workout... it's spot up shots... don't get too carried away...

the guy didn't do anything outside of what he was known to be good at it... all the questions about him are when other players are on the floor with him.. rebounding, handling the ball, passing...

he will be 20 before the start of the season... he's the same age as most college sophs coming out..

He's been playing 2.5 years in Europe with teams are not just going to give him the ball each time and tell him to shoot.

He's 7'1" and may be growing, still. How much ball handling will he do...and how much ball handling is called for in our offense?

The passing is something he will have to improve, but I have not seen all his games. He has not been in the post a lot, where he would have more passes. He's been a stretch 4 in Europe. Rebounding will come with the weight. He also seems very aware of the Eurosoft moniker that is passed around- don't think it will be an issue.

If you saw the video you would have heard that one coach at one level used to let him play the point.

It was a pretty decent workout, though. Lots of movement for the most part, and some quick release jumper drills.

If he's at 4 and we pass on him, we are making a big mistake, IMO.

blkexec wrote:

s3231 wrote:Wow....so impressive.

Well, Phil said during the town hall Q and A that he would love to draft someone that can be a Knick for 10 years. If this kid has the mental makeup, don't see why he can't be that guy....

Phil has said repeatedly that he will try to do what is best for the franchise and won't sacrifice that for short term success. Let's hope that his actions back that up...

Unlike what some of us may think, Phil does not expect anything from this rookie pick. So picking Porzingis would be an easy decision. Also when Melo said he rather have a vet running the point.....Sometimes Phil used other guys (especially his lead guys) to say repeat messages that Phil would say. So picking Mudiay would be nice, but if Porzingis is the BPA, he will pick him up.

Whats funny is I just played about a tall guys like Porzingis in the gym.....He wasn't 7'1, but on average, it was similar since most of use were around 6'0 and this guy was about 6'7.....first play, he took me down low, turned around and shot over me like I wasn't even there.......Somebody yelled out SWITCH....

So another guy about my height was guarding him.....but he was pushing him....fouling him.....getting him frustrated. And it worked. Thats my only fear with him. Bigs will be very physical with him because thats his only weakness......How he handles that is key! Most Euros can take that kind of physical play, and they lose confidence. Others turn into Dirk or a young Bargs when he was the man in Toronto. Porzingis has potential to be better than bargs or as good as Dirk. But he could also be the same as Bargs.

I say you have to take this guy over Mudiay, WCS, Winslow, etc.....because of his two way star potential. And with his guard like abilities from the outside, he will be hard to cover. And he will give you those blind side blocks. But I'm not sure he will be strong enough for 1 on 1 post defense. This is a tough call. Mudiay is legit....Porzingis could be legit, but it's hard to pass up that size and skill. Just like it was hard to pass up Bargs or the other dude drafted ahead of Mello. WCS and Kaminsky are also solid.

It's impossible to pick everbody.....And there will be NBA stars we will pass up. Wow.....hate to be in Phil's shoes, but I'm sure hi$ check would help relieve $ome $tre$$.

blkexec wrote:

s3231 wrote:Love that he said he has been watching a lot of Anthony Davis (and he said KG as well).

Oh man, we'll have someone good available at #4 either way....this workout probably just made our pick a bit more valuable.

Him and Mudiay's workout....along with Russell shutting it down, made our pick even more valuable.

Don't sleep on the trading down option....I know...it's not a favorite move. But the more positive videos that come out, the hungrier teams get at moving up.

If Phil is smart....all he has to do is up the asking price to something rediculous....if nobody bites, it's still a win win....becasue we get something good either way.

Agreed, definitely think pick will have more trade value, especially for teams that want Porzingis (since Phil was actually at the workout, teams have to think Porzingis might not last past 4 now).

blkexec wrote:

s3231 wrote:Love that he said he has been watching a lot of Anthony Davis (and he said KG as well).

Oh man, we'll have someone good available at #4 either way....this workout probably just made our pick a bit more valuable.

Him and Mudiay's workout....along with Russell shutting it down, made our pick even more valuable.

Don't sleep on the trading down option....I know...it's not a favorite move. But the more positive videos that come out, the hungrier teams get at moving up.

If Phil is smart....all he has to do is up the asking price to something rediculous....if nobody bites, it's still a win win....becasue we get something good either way.

WaltLongmire wrote:

blkexec wrote:

s3231 wrote:Wow....so impressive.

Well, Phil said during the town hall Q and A that he would love to draft someone that can be a Knick for 10 years. If this kid has the mental makeup, don't see why he can't be that guy....

Phil has said repeatedly that he will try to do what is best for the franchise and won't sacrifice that for short term success. Let's hope that his actions back that up...

Unlike what some of us may think, Phil does not expect anything from this rookie pick. So picking Porzingis would be an easy decision. Also when Melo said he rather have a vet running the point.....Sometimes Phil used other guys (especially his lead guys) to say repeat messages that Phil would say. So picking Mudiay would be nice, but if Porzingis is the BPA, he will pick him up.

Whats funny is I just played about a tall guys like Porzingis in the gym.....He wasn't 7'1, but on average, it was similar since most of use were around 6'0 and this guy was about 6'7.....first play, he took me down low, turned around and shot over me like I wasn't even there.......Somebody yelled out SWITCH....

So another guy about my height was guarding him.....but he was pushing him....fouling him.....getting him frustrated. And it worked. Thats my only fear with him. Bigs will be very physical with him because thats his only weakness......How he handles that is key! Most Euros can take that kind of physical play, and they lose confidence. Others turn into Dirk or a young Bargs when he was the man in Toronto. Porzingis has potential to be better than bargs or as good as Dirk. But he could also be the same as Bargs.

I say you have to take this guy over Mudiay, WCS, Winslow, etc.....because of his two way star potential. And with his guard like abilities from the outside, he will be hard to cover. And he will give you those blind side blocks. But I'm not sure he will be strong enough for 1 on 1 post defense. This is a tough call. Mudiay is legit....Porzingis could be legit, but it's hard to pass up that size and skill. Just like it was hard to pass up Bargs or the other dude drafted ahead of Mello. WCS and Kaminsky are also solid.

It's impossible to pick everbody.....And there will be NBA stars we will pass up. Wow.....hate to be in Phil's shoes, but I'm sure hi$ check would help relieve $ome $tre$$.

LA and PHilly brass even have a tougher time, I think, than we do.

Agree....It's going to be hard for LA or Philly to pass on him. He might be a better prospect than any of the current bigs on Minny, LA or Philly.....

Philly can always trade one of their bigs and obtain a guard later in the draft.

Just when I was warming up to drafting Mudiay.....But I can't say I'm surprised.....Just look at my threads on Porzingis in the Case for Porzingis thread.....This video only reconfirmed what I already knew.

jbeachboy wrote:

blkexec wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

blkexec wrote:

s3231 wrote:Wow....so impressive.

Well, Phil said during the town hall Q and A that he would love to draft someone that can be a Knick for 10 years. If this kid has the mental makeup, don't see why he can't be that guy....

Phil has said repeatedly that he will try to do what is best for the franchise and won't sacrifice that for short term success. Let's hope that his actions back that up...

Unlike what some of us may think, Phil does not expect anything from this rookie pick. So picking Porzingis would be an easy decision. Also when Melo said he rather have a vet running the point.....Sometimes Phil used other guys (especially his lead guys) to say repeat messages that Phil would say. So picking Mudiay would be nice, but if Porzingis is the BPA, he will pick him up.

Whats funny is I just played about a tall guys like Porzingis in the gym.....He wasn't 7'1, but on average, it was similar since most of use were around 6'0 and this guy was about 6'7.....first play, he took me down low, turned around and shot over me like I wasn't even there.......Somebody yelled out SWITCH....

So another guy about my height was guarding him.....but he was pushing him....fouling him.....getting him frustrated. And it worked. Thats my only fear with him. Bigs will be very physical with him because thats his only weakness......How he handles that is key! Most Euros can take that kind of physical play, and they lose confidence. Others turn into Dirk or a young Bargs when he was the man in Toronto. Porzingis has potential to be better than bargs or as good as Dirk. But he could also be the same as Bargs.

I say you have to take this guy over Mudiay, WCS, Winslow, etc.....because of his two way star potential. And with his guard like abilities from the outside, he will be hard to cover. And he will give you those blind side blocks. But I'm not sure he will be strong enough for 1 on 1 post defense. This is a tough call. Mudiay is legit....Porzingis could be legit, but it's hard to pass up that size and skill. Just like it was hard to pass up Bargs or the other dude drafted ahead of Mello. WCS and Kaminsky are also solid.

It's impossible to pick everbody.....And there will be NBA stars we will pass up. Wow.....hate to be in Phil's shoes, but I'm sure hi$ check would help relieve $ome $tre$$.

LA and PHilly brass even have a tougher time, I think, than we do.

Agree....It's going to be hard for LA or Philly to pass on him. He might be a better prospect than any of the current bigs on Minny, LA or Philly.....

Philly can always trade one of their bigs and obtain a guard later in the draft.

Just when I was warming up to drafting Mudiay.....But I can't say I'm surprised.....Just look at my threads on Porzingis in the Case for Porzingis thread.....This video only reconfirmed what I already knew.

lakers and sixers arent passing on okafor and russell

Hard to make predictions about this stuff.

Decent chance that LA takes Russell, and Philly therefore takes Porzingis, because Embiid (if healthy) and OK4 are basically redundant.

All comes down to LA, IMO. They take Russell and things change for us if Philly is not in love with Mudiay.

Nothing written in stone. The big thing is that we are going to get a very good player at #4, at this point, and even though I am less sure of who it will be, I know it will be someone pretty good.