Bonn1997 wrote:For that price, they'd have to give me this year's #1 pick or next year's pick unprotected.

I think Dieng is a lottery pick by himself. Hes a lottery pick cost. A C who can pass block shot score and rebound. IF we get two additional players we pick and add Rubio as a sixth man or 7th man--we get our moneys worth

Thats a starting C
A 6 or 7 man
2 high 2s that we pick
for 12mm $

StarksEwing1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Sounds like a good idea- taking on a 5 year max contract of an injury prone player who doesn't fit the system for 2 second rounders - what's not to like!

If I got Dieng and the two players I want--whats not to like is right? The cap is going up substantially--Im not worried about what will be 10% of the cap. I want to rebuild this team using that cap space whatever is the best way to use it. In two years with a healthy Rubio it will be a steal. Sometime s people need to look outside of the box--Dieng is up and coming+ a high commodity. IF and I mean IF Minnesota wants out of Rubios contract Diendg and the players I want who have to be there or no deal. I still think this is a process wed be adding two young vets and a bunch of players we can help build the team with. If Kevin Durant is healthy--wed have a plethora of young players we could potentially trade this way. By adding Monroe and a Millsap were locking in on two huge contracts. By locking in on just a 12mm contract--we leave the flexibility for next year. If we try to push it all together in one year its going o back fire like an old Pinto. I think combination deals and trading down is the way to go. Were not winning a championship with Greg Monroe and Willie Stein. We need a full deep roster built over a couple of years into the style of play we want to run.

I'm so happy that we're just fake GM's playing fantasy build the Knicks cause if this were real we'd again be the laughing stock of the NBA and I can't live with that for to much longer.

Why U want Monroe so we can win 35 games for the next 4 years Melo?

he didnt say that he just said your trade proposal doesnt help. Id want at least a first rounder

With those 2nd rounders, you could easily trade up. I think Dallas and/or Cleveland value those non-guaranteed contracts more, anyway.

NardDogNation wrote:I don't think this trade is unreasonable at all. In fact, I like it a lot. The only thing that will be available to us in free agency are bad contracts that teams are looking to dump or players on the verge of signing a bad contract. If that really is the case, I'd prefer pursuing the former option because it would at least give us additional assets and/or picks. Maybe we could even move Ricky to the Nets for the ghost of Deron Williams. Yes, it'd cost us a ton of money in the short run BUT Williams has the shorter contract and is a better fit for the triangle (playing 2 guard ala Jason Kidd). It isn't ideal but I think Gorgui Dieng has the ability to be a household name if put in the right situation, which is rare coming from 5's. For him, I'd put the bullet on the dead salary we'd be acquiring.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:For that price, they'd have to give me this year's #1 pick or next year's pick unprotected.

I think Dieng is a lottery pick by himself. Hes a lottery pick cost. A C who can pass block shot score and rebound. IF we get two additional players we pick and add Rubio as a sixth man or 7th man--we get our moneys worth

Thats a starting C
A 6 or 7 man
2 high 2s that we pick
for 12mm $

Well I added more after you replied. I wouldn't want to invest more than a few mil in Rubio and $1 mil in each of the 2nd round picks. So you're basically asking us to spend $50 mil to get Dieng. He hasn't shown enough to merit that IMO - just 64 games at a reasonably good but not special level.

If Fuzaro alone is as good as I think he is than the whole deal would be well worth it. A 31 and 33 pick is like getting 2 #1 picks in this draft.
I dont like the free agents ever time I just to look at them with how the NBA plays right now--I mean Detroit bluntly just said FU to Monroe yesterday. Does anyone think SVG is stupid?

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:For that price, they'd have to give me this year's #1 pick or next year's pick unprotected.

I think Dieng is a lottery pick by himself. Hes a lottery pick cost. A C who can pass block shot score and rebound. IF we get two additional players we pick and add Rubio as a sixth man or 7th man--we get our moneys worth

Thats a starting C
A 6 or 7 man
2 high 2s that we pick
for 12mm $

Well I added more after you replied. I wouldn't want to invest more than a few mil in Rubio and $1 mil in each of the 2nd round picks. So you're basically asking us to spend $50 mil to get Dieng. He hasn't shown enough to merit that IMO - just 64 games at a reasonably good but not special level.

If Fuzaro alone is as good as I think he is than the whole deal would be well worth it. A 31 and 33 pick is like getting 2 #1 picks in this draft.
I dont like the free agents ever time I just to look at them with how the NBA plays right now--I mean Detroit bluntly just said FU to Monroe yesterday. Does anyone think SVG is stupid?

BRIGGS wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope for briggs sake we draft kaminsky, this way he doesnt jump out a window

Everyone knows -who was here that I wrote about 500 posts why we should take Andrew Bynum over Channing Frye and I was right. Bynum if he didnt hurt himself wouldve been 1st team all NBA for years. He still helped win 2 chips. If I felt that strongly about Stein I would've done the same--I dont. I dont think hes a bad player--I just think Kamnisn ky the way the NBA is being player right now is much better choice. I just look at it simply--and anyone can verify this--I said once GS changed to 5 out they would win--they shouldve used D lee even more last night. There is NO defense for 5 guys who can shoot dribble pass and shoot. You can have moments but its impossible to guard for 48 minutes. Clev has a very GOOD defensive team. But defense will not win this series and it wont in the NBA anymore. You need to play it but you better be able to score 105 or more. You NEED offensive players who play smart team D.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Sounds like a good idea- taking on a 5 year max contract of an injury prone player who doesn't fit the system for 2 second rounders - what's not to like!

If I got Dieng and the two players I want--whats not to like is right? The cap is going up substantially--Im not worried about what will be 10% of the cap. I want to rebuild this team using that cap space whatever is the best way to use it. In two years with a healthy Rubio it will be a steal. Sometime s people need to look outside of the box--Dieng is up and coming+ a high commodity. IF and I mean IF Minnesota wants out of Rubios contract Diendg and the players I want who have to be there or no deal. I still think this is a process wed be adding two young vets and a bunch of players we can help build the team with. If Kevin Durant is healthy--wed have a plethora of young players we could potentially trade this way. By adding Monroe and a Millsap were locking in on two huge contracts. By locking in on just a 12mm contract--we leave the flexibility for next year. If we try to push it all together in one year its going o back fire like an old Pinto. I think combination deals and trading down is the way to go. Were not winning a championship with Greg Monroe and Willie Stein. We need a full deep roster built over a couple of years into the style of play we want to run.

I'm so happy that we're just fake GM's playing fantasy build the Knicks cause if this were real we'd again be the laughing stock of the NBA and I can't live with that for to much longer.

Care to state why you think his deal is unreasonable?

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Sounds like a good idea- taking on a 5 year max contract of an injury prone player who doesn't fit the system for 2 second rounders - what's not to like!

If I got Dieng and the two players I want--whats not to like is right? The cap is going up substantially--Im not worried about what will be 10% of the cap. I want to rebuild this team using that cap space whatever is the best way to use it. In two years with a healthy Rubio it will be a steal. Sometime s people need to look outside of the box--Dieng is up and coming+ a high commodity. IF and I mean IF Minnesota wants out of Rubios contract Diendg and the players I want who have to be there or no deal. I still think this is a process wed be adding two young vets and a bunch of players we can help build the team with. If Kevin Durant is healthy--wed have a plethora of young players we could potentially trade this way. By adding Monroe and a Millsap were locking in on two huge contracts. By locking in on just a 12mm contract--we leave the flexibility for next year. If we try to push it all together in one year its going o back fire like an old Pinto. I think combination deals and trading down is the way to go. Were not winning a championship with Greg Monroe and Willie Stein. We need a full deep roster built over a couple of years into the style of play we want to run.

I'm so happy that we're just fake GM's playing fantasy build the Knicks cause if this were real we'd again be the laughing stock of the NBA and I can't live with that for to much longer.

Why U want Monroe so we can win 35 games for the next 4 years Melo?

Moonangie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dieng picks 31 and 33. Well just absorb them. They wont get a deal like that anywhere imho.

C-Dieng

F Kaminsky pick 7 trade with Denver for a 2016 top 12 protected

F Carmelo

G Galloway

G Shveyd (3 years 15mm)

F-Mickey (pick 31)

F Bargnani 1 year 5mm

G Hardaway

G Fuzaro (pick 33)

G Rubio

Cole A 2 years 3mm

Jerrele Benimon 3 years league minimum

Jarell Eddie 3 years league minimum not guaranteed

Early

Josh Richardson UDFA years league minimum

Goal is to build it over two years and stockpile assets while we improve

What happened to our #4 pick?

Kaminsky pick 7 trade with Denver for a 2016 top 12 protected