gunsnewing wrote:Who cares who we draft at this point? That ship sailed when we decided to win the final 2 games

We fell two spots.
Team with worst record rarely gets the top pick. You know this in hindsight and your redundant.

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Who cares who we draft at this point? That ship sailed when we decided to win the final 2 games

We fell two spots.
Team with worst record rarely gets the top pick. You know this in hindsight and your redundant.

No you are redundant

gunsnewing wrote:yea Monroe will be a great FA signing even though he would've been much more effective next to Towns.

Constantly posting all day long about every player we are going to draft is a complete waste of time since that player is not doing to amount to anything significant. Maybe next time we are in the position to truly tank we won't screw it up. Which will probably be in the year we actually have our 1st rd pick. Maybe we will have a shot at the next Lebron and truly go back to being one of the most prestigious NBA franchises again. Until then we are looking at mediocrity to sub - .500

Now this isn't necessarily true. We can't guarantee that our draft choice will be a great player but there are some good options and a good chance the player will be a good contributor. I think the chance of a complete flop is very low.

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

Monroe is a 5. If you draft stein you go after Millsap, love, Aldridge etc. if you get Monroe you move Melo to the 4 and get winslow or Carroll to play the 3 possibly. Or both. But not sure why you are so convinced Phil is going to do something like this. Don't complain about something that hasn't happened, or even has a rumor attached to it.

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:saw this post on kb...
http://knickerblogger.net/the-low-down-on-the-trade-down/#comment-498513

Frank
June 11, 2015 at 4:29 pm

Off this current topic, but what is the general feeling about Monroe again? I seem to think people here have been against signing him.

I’m not 100% against it if the idea is to play Melo at the 4 and try to mix and match a defense with those two in the front court. Monroe’s #s as the lone in-paint big are beastly. In 14-15 in 1082 minutes without Drummond on the floor, he had a TS 58.2, 1.14 PPP, 13.1 ORB%, 28.6 DRB%, free throw rate of 0.46. Those rebounding percentages would be roughly top 10 in both categories.

That's a pretty large sample size for one season.

Wow. I think the Knicks sign Monroe. Not sure if they draft Stein at 4.

What makes really impressive is knowing that those numbers likely came out of the post and not with mostly PnR rim runs.

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, seriously, watch Mozgov in the Finals right now.

Im not saying play 5 6-7 guys Im saying everyone focus on defense is ONLY a 50% answer. You want to play good team defense--BUT those guys who are playing defense cant be sieves on offense. its VERY hard to guard 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive.

lets look farther at this David Lee is a shell of himself Klay Thompson did not show up again and Curry was just fair but they still scored 103 points--they were NOT getting there with the "RIM PROTECTOR" in Bogut because Bogut changed tempo. You need PERIMETER defense first rim protection second but the guys you get most of them--like the Spurs need to know how to play offense well.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, seriously, watch Mozgov in the Finals right now.

Im not saying play 5 6-7 guys Im saying everyone focus on defense is ONLY a 50% answer. You want to play good team defense--BUT those guys who are playing defense cant be sieves on offense. its VERY hard to guard 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive.

lets look farther at this David Lee is a shell of himself Klay Thompson did not show up again and Curry was just fair but they still scored 103 points--they were NOT getting there with the "RIM PROTECTOR" in Bogut because Bogut changed tempo. You need PERIMETER defense first rim protection second but the guys you get most of them--like the Spurs need to know how to play offense well.

I hear what you're saying but I disagree. I think defense starts inside out. I think Barnes and Green are versatile enough that they can pretend to be big men and Cleveland doesn't really have the post option to punish them.

If you are going by Golden State tonight, I would think you would want to draft Winslow who is some combination of Iguodala and Barnes and Green.

Anyway, I think the next two games would be a lot more interesting if Irving were healthy.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

A) Stein is faster and quicker than a PG. If you want to see what fast active bigs do for you, turn off your Frank Kaminsky highlight reel for a Minute and check out the NBA Finals where Mozgov and Thompson are playing insanely valuable roles.

B) Detroit never had Melo to spread the floor.

Excellent points. Team's will still have the problem of deciding who to double. The inside n outside action with WCS roaming for easy dunks will not be easy to deal with.

nixluva would you say LBJ is about 50 miles better than Carmelo? Monroe--if he scores 15-18 who cares. Somehwre if you dont play 5 who can score--you will not get to the number you need to OFFENSIVELY.

If defense wins games why didnt Clev smash GS tonight? They had the 3 BIGGEST guys on the floor!! GS did not even play well except the first quarter if they were humming it wouldve been a 35 point blowout. Cleveland can play the best D they can--and it wont matter.

So, wait, are you still advocating Kaminsky? What are you advocating? Winslow?

gunsnewing wrote:yea Monroe will be a great FA signing even though he would've been much more effective next to Towns.

Constantly posting all day long about every player we are going to draft is a complete waste of time since that player is not doing to amount to anything significant. Maybe next time we are in the position to truly tank we won't screw it up. Which will probably be in the year we actually have our 1st rd pick. Maybe we will have a shot at the next Lebron and truly go back to being one of the most prestigious NBA franchises again. Until then we are looking at mediocrity to sub - .500

Wasn't it terrifying when you found out we weren't really tanking all along...

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, seriously, watch Mozgov in the Finals right now.

Im not saying play 5 6-7 guys Im saying everyone focus on defense is ONLY a 50% answer. You want to play good team defense--BUT those guys who are playing defense cant be sieves on offense. its VERY hard to guard 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive.

lets look farther at this David Lee is a shell of himself Klay Thompson did not show up again and Curry was just fair but they still scored 103 points--they were NOT getting there with the "RIM PROTECTOR" in Bogut because Bogut changed tempo. You need PERIMETER defense first rim protection second but the guys you get most of them--like the Spurs need to know how to play offense well.

I hear what you're saying but I disagree. I think defense starts inside out. I think Barnes and Green are versatile enough that they can pretend to be big men and Cleveland doesn't really have the post option to punish them.

If you are going by Golden State tonight, I would think you would want to draft Winslow who is some combination of Iguodala and Barnes and Green.

Anyway, I think the next two games would be a lot more interesting if Irving were healthy.

It used to not anymore. It starts on the perimiter now. When I was watching those tapes on Fuzaro--I said to myself--hmm a guy who can guard 3 positions yet can also pass handle shoot and ambidextrously drive--nows that a guy you want.

I watch Kaminsky---under rated defender who knows how to play offense. If Clev had Kaminsky had 4 instead of Thompson GS would have no chance. Kaminsky is a legit top 2 offensive player on any team who's value goes beyond his 18-20 points.
I really believe a draft of Fuzaro and Kaminsky would put this club miles ahead. Were working out a F slow C in Kirk because he can hit the 14 footer but he cant RUN. We need to find versatile players--Mickey VERSATILE defender who can hit mid range dribble drive and rebound block shots. Ill give my pick up for Mickey Kaminsky and Fuzaro. Stein alone is terrible for what we need. We need to try and trade down and pick up more picks. Were also not getting everything in 1 year.

crzymdups wrote:

codeunknown wrote:To me, a Stein and Monroe combination is just a horrible case of settling. You'll be at or below league average rebounding and offensively (in part due to spacing) and defensively, you just have to pray that the Stein force-field paralyzes the other team.

Okay, if that's settling - name a non-settling aka better plan. Go.