Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I give Phil and Fisher a pass for last season, they were both learning on the job. They were handed chicken **** (for the most part) and expected to make chicken salad out of it, in short order. Next season they both need to show that the team is headed in the right direction, no excuses.
Phil was handed an almost average team (.451 or 19th out of 30). Once Tyson was traded and Melo got injured in game 2, only a magician would have been ready to coach the roster, though.
Handed a .451 team with no cap room and a shortage of first and second round picks. Made upgrading the roster all the more difficult.
A .451 team with massive cap space in just a year and an owner who will buy picks. It's not ideal but you're making it sound much more dire than it was IMO. It's not like he was handed the .200 team he has now.
Referring only to the results this season. Phil didnt follow the path of most of his predecessors and go for a massive quick fix. Now we have a high pick (should have been higher) cap space, and some draft picks. Played the hand he was dealt instead of mortgaging the future.
Well we have a different interpretation. I don't think you add $150 mil in vets (Melo and Calderon) just to try to get a high lottery pick. It's more like he meant to drive forward but accidentally had the car in reverse all day. We're just lucky he misfired badly in a season where league the forced us to keep our pick.
Don't agree that re-signing your star player can be categorized as a quick fix. Quick fixes are usually about bringing in players. Calderon ate up some cap space but not enough to consider it problematic. Like I said, the end result is lots of cap space and a top pick among others. It was an ugly season but we come out the other side in better shape than we went in as far as flexibility.
Quick fix was your term. I simply said I don't think he spent $150 mil on vets to try to get a high lottery pick. But I agree that we're potentially in a better place (depending on whether Phil actually gets the draft pick right). Even Nixluva and virtually all of Phil's strongest supporters here have not been arguing that he was trying from the outset to get a high lottery pick. To paraphrase Nixluva, getting a high pick became the strategy only once plan A failed.
The scenario is more like accidentally driving in reverse all day just to find a prize in the spot you land at. Depending on your outlook, you'll either be thrilled with the prize or concerned that the person accidentally drove his car in reverse all day.
I never believed Phil did either. Dont believe that resigning Melo was about this season, Calderon, more so. Pretty sure I was one of the first to suggest that blowing up the team was Phil's plan B. Have said it repeatedly. Injuries, subpar play by some vets, made a playoff run unlikely so Phil held a fire sale and went for the top pick. He could have gone all in on this season, that didnt happen. Knicks are in a much better position for it. Phil wasnt executive of the year material this season, but he knew when pack it in and look towards next season, and beyond. I consider that a very good thing considering this franchise's MO in the past.
OK, I misunderstood. It appears you're also saying that for plan A he drove in reverse all day. The problem is there have been dozens of high lottery pick draft busts. We're only in a better place if Phil doesn't drive in reverse during plan B also.
My mistake for leaving that impression then. Ive complained about his tweeting, about keeping his distance, about sharing too much with the media. I don't believe his performance has been stellar, but I do believe he did a good enough job to put us in a position to right the ship. Still lots of work to do.
With all due respect, if he did nothing we would have been in a better position..Calderon's contract was the difference..
Well, let's put it this way. If we had a different GM and he had a non-cancerous environment with the team continuing to play near the .500 level for the first half of the season and then decided to sell as high as possible, tank the rest of the year, and rebuild, I think we'd have the followingMaybe pick 10 or 12 this year
Similar package for Tyson to what Mozgov got - meaning 2 mid to late 1st round picks
1 late first round/early second round pick for JR. No need to trade Shumpert.
No Calderon - 7 mil per more each year in cap space.
So it's possible Phil finds an absolute gem with pick #4 but I think the above scenario would have been better.
No way I see Tyson getting 2 first round picks, if he was really that valuable, Im very sure that a better deal would have been made. Mosgov is in his prime years and healthy, Tyson is oft injured, and too often shows flu like symptoms. Think about all that had transpired with JR, and if we could have gotten anything of real value for him. Injuries, playoff blunders, suspensions, poor play, would have made getting anything special for him unlikely. I was one of Shump's biggest fans on this board but he needed a change of scenery. The Calderon trade was a misfire, but the cap hit isnt so bad (since we got rid of JR's deal) to make it a serious obstacle.
