crzymdups wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fascinating thing will be to see what the Sixers will do if the Lakers take D'Angelo Russell. Do the Sixers take Okafor and sell him to the highest bidder? Do they take Porzingis and stash him for a year? I can't see the Sixers taking Mudiay...

I could see Mudiay dropping pretty far - maybe end of the lotto. I bet by the end of the week you will hear Mudiay is going to take workouts with mid lottery teams. He's in severe danger of dropping like a stone if he doesn't work out for enough teams. He can't just workout for the top four teams with what he's showing.

We need to workout more guys like Hezonga Kaminsky demand a workout with Porzinigis--w e need to be open and thorough. Evene guys down the latter like Wood Jerian Grant Mickey if we see value in moving back to 16 if Boston showers us. To me the MOST important aspect is getting the most value I can for #4 You know I like using the draft to get better--I just dont love #4 its not a great pick for the Knicks--but for other teams it might be a gold mine--in fact I know it is.

I'm glad they're working out Cameron Payne. I hope they do work out everyone.

Personally, my preference would be to just take Stein or Winslow and call it a day, but if they can get a package of picks and still get a prospect like Cameron Payne or Jerian Grant, I'd be okay with that.

I'd add Stanley Johnson to the list. I hope the Knicks take a long look at him too. I don't know if we will be better than Winslow... But I hope the Knicks know by draft day.

I cant add him @ 4--hes in that group with Looney Oubre Turner and Mudiay guys who have skills who are not ready for the NBA. I dont think teams value WCS at 4--maybe 7-10. I DO think that teams value Porzinigis at 4(Minnesota is atelast 1 team with great assets) so we must identify those teams and gauge what value they have.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fascinating thing will be to see what the Sixers will do if the Lakers take D'Angelo Russell. Do the Sixers take Okafor and sell him to the highest bidder? Do they take Porzingis and stash him for a year? I can't see the Sixers taking Mudiay...

I could see Mudiay dropping pretty far - maybe end of the lotto. I bet by the end of the week you will hear Mudiay is going to take workouts with mid lottery teams. He's in severe danger of dropping like a stone if he doesn't work out for enough teams. He can't just workout for the top four teams with what he's showing.

We need to workout more guys like Hezonga Kaminsky demand a workout with Porzinigis--w e need to be open and thorough. Evene guys down the latter like Wood Jerian Grant Mickey if we see value in moving back to 16 if Boston showers us. To me the MOST important aspect is getting the most value I can for #4 You know I like using the draft to get better--I just dont love #4 its not a great pick for the Knicks--but for other teams it might be a gold mine--in fact I know it is.

I'm glad they're working out Cameron Payne. I hope they do work out everyone.

Personally, my preference would be to just take Stein or Winslow and call it a day, but if they can get a package of picks and still get a prospect like Cameron Payne or Jerian Grant, I'd be okay with that.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fascinating thing will be to see what the Sixers will do if the Lakers take D'Angelo Russell. Do the Sixers take Okafor and sell him to the highest bidder? Do they take Porzingis and stash him for a year? I can't see the Sixers taking Mudiay...

I could see Mudiay dropping pretty far - maybe end of the lotto. I bet by the end of the week you will hear Mudiay is going to take workouts with mid lottery teams. He's in severe danger of dropping like a stone if he doesn't work out for enough teams. He can't just workout for the top four teams with what he's showing.

Hahahahaha you message board GM's are hilarious. So off of the small bits seen in a 5 minute workout video Mudiay is now dropping to late lottery or even out of the lottery. The kid needs to work on his shot which was well known way before this video came out and I think we need to take in that his nerves are probably sky high as a 19 year old kid working out for one of the most well-known sports team in all of sports.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fascinating thing will be to see what the Sixers will do if the Lakers take D'Angelo Russell. Do the Sixers take Okafor and sell him to the highest bidder? Do they take Porzingis and stash him for a year? I can't see the Sixers taking Mudiay...

I could see Mudiay dropping pretty far - maybe end of the lotto. I bet by the end of the week you will hear Mudiay is going to take workouts with mid lottery teams. He's in severe danger of dropping like a stone if he doesn't work out for enough teams. He can't just workout for the top four teams with what he's showing.

Hahahahaha you message board GM's are hilarious. So off of the small bits seen in a 5 minute workout video Mudiay is now dropping to late lottery or even out of the lottery. The kid needs to work on his shot which was well known way before this video came out and I think we need to take in that his nerves are probably sky high as a 19 year old kid working out for one of the most well-known sports team in all of sports.

I will grant you that. That's a lot of pressure and more time to think about the pressure than shots in the game. He probably could have helped himself out by saying in the interview that he was nervous and the shots didn't reflect his ability. I'd give more weight to the fact that he got outplayed by Will Bynum. I'd still love to have him as a long-term project but not with the #4 pick.

Will Bynum is a F'ing pro. He has NBA tenure. You put Will Bynum against Russell and he will out shoot Russell. Your comparing an 18 year old kid to a player who has NBA experience.

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fascinating thing will be to see what the Sixers will do if the Lakers take D'Angelo Russell. Do the Sixers take Okafor and sell him to the highest bidder? Do they take Porzingis and stash him for a year? I can't see the Sixers taking Mudiay...

I could see Mudiay dropping pretty far - maybe end of the lotto. I bet by the end of the week you will hear Mudiay is going to take workouts with mid lottery teams. He's in severe danger of dropping like a stone if he doesn't work out for enough teams. He can't just workout for the top four teams with what he's showing.

Hahahahaha you message board GM's are hilarious. So off of the small bits seen in a 5 minute workout video Mudiay is now dropping to late lottery or even out of the lottery. The kid needs to work on his shot which was well known way before this video came out and I think we need to take in that his nerves are probably sky high as a 19 year old kid working out for one of the most well-known sports team in all of sports.

I will grant you that. That's a lot of pressure and more time to think about the pressure than shots in the game. He probably could have helped himself out by saying in the interview that he was nervous and the shots didn't reflect his ability. I'd give more weight to the fact that he got outplayed by Will Bynum. I'd still love to have him as a long-term project but not with the #4 pick.

Will Bynum is a F'ing pro. He has NBA tenure. You put Will Bynum against Russell and he will out shoot Russell. Your comparing an 18 year old kid to a player who has NBA experience.

BRIGGS wrote:At the core that was some bad arse shooting--nerves or not. Put him next to Russell and let me see Russell nerves or the probability he hits 80%+= of his shots with no one on him.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At the core that was some bad arse shooting--nerves or not. Put him next to Russell and let me see Russell nerves or the probability he hits 80%+= of his shots with no one on him.

WOW did you really just compare Mudiay's shooting to Russells shooting?? Come on now. I understand that you'll argue your points to the very end but come on now. Lol

Im saying if you put Russell into the same setting hes still going to hit 80% of his open shots nerves or not. I just think this is a HUGE skills red flag. You start adding up 57% foul shooting all the TO's he had in CHINA looking at this video and you want him at 4 because we need a bench warmer for two years?

Ilovestarks wrote:His shooting ability was a known problem. In any case a guy like him will not be drafted for his shooting, workout for the Knicks must be at the minimum one on one. To see how he guard, does he have elite speed etc.

There are full Chinese game son youtube. I dont see where he is anything compared to the speed of a Wall. Hes a good solid athlete and he CERTAINLY can get better over time with hard work--but jees some of those shooting problems should not be that apparent after practicing for 2 months for tHIS day.

I posted a Curry shooting video on another Mudiay thread. I know folks don't want to watch the entire video, so I tried to highlight the times to look at:

Watch from 5:20 onward, when the narrator talks about the "set point." Curry almost always releases the ball as he's going up.

Defenders always seem to expect you to release at the top of your jump- Curry doesn't jump that high, but gets his shot off earlier than many do.

If you go back and watch from 3:20, you can see how he gets it off early- if he had taken it like many do, I think it would have been blocked (3:25-8) by the Buck's defender.

Mudiay's biggest issue as a shooter is not necessarily the famous "release point" or even his follow through, but the fact that he is not using his legs the right way when he shoots.

He's at the apex of his jump when he is executing his shooting motion, the motion should be starting earlier.

It can be helped, but I'm surprised he hasn't worked with someone on this already.

You don't see the guys known for their jump shots starting their shooting motion as late as he does.

Wonder if he shot before or after going through other drills. I understand that a player's endurance is important, but if you are shooting for your draft life, you should be warmed up, but not worn down.