anrst wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I've been waiting to see how azcentral.com projected the draft.

LOL

Too funny. I heard the Sheboygan Tribune's mock will be posted today. Let's see what they predict before getting our panties in a bunch.

There are still good players out there who have not put out orchestrated workout videos to impress folks like us.

Teams will see much more if players are willing to work out with individual teams, and even more if the agents for the players allow them to compete with other prospects or, at the very least, live bodies who can at least emulate the kind of pressure a player might face.

Mosgov is actually a very good midrange shooter- I expect that he would really impress us if he did a workout video for us. He was great on the pick and roll jams, yesterday, but on the two outside shots he took, one was blocked, and the other was missed with a defender in his face. Guys are getting too excited by workouts and forgetting that you are facing defenders and your own nerves in actual games.

Might be worth waiting before anointing this or that player as our pick. Might be worth going back to some early April threads to see how guys felt differently about some players shortly after the college season ended.

Personally, I have a number of players I would be interested in based on workout performance. Got to trust your talent evaluators, guys. They will see things we never get to see if they are able to work players out the right way.

I did find it annoying to read that Towns may not do individual workouts. Might be good for his stock, but makes me wonder.

Did hear that Mudiay would be willing to workout against Russell (forgot the link- might have been Ford). I would pay to see that.

Lot of time left, and we are dependent in many ways on what the earlier teams choose to do.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I feel there's no chance in hell Phil takes Porzingis. He's not gonna take some giant question mark when he has much more sure talent in front of him. Players that he's personally seen and knows are much closer to being NBA ready. KrisP is all potential. He's 220 lbs soaking wet and no real strength. How long will it take for him to put on 20 lbs of muscle if he ever does? Phil has much better options at #4 IMO. Let someone else take the chance on KrisP.

Are you talking about phil here, you seem to be so sure of his moves, yet they have all back fired

One has kinda back fired and that'sthe Tyson trade and it's a kinda. That's the only one.

Rosey wrote:I wouldn't much too much stock in what the media is saying about workout videos - it's like the NFL combine. It's how they play in a real game and that's what the scouts need to project. If the Knicks keep their #4 it has to be someone they feel strongly about - whoever that is. They can't afford to screw it up. Phil kept talking about drafting and developing a foundational player for the franchise. If they have legitimate reservations, then trade down and get as many assets as you can.

I really enjoy your posts cause you use logic and you're realistic which we don't get much of on here.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I feel there's no chance in hell Phil takes Porzingis. He's not gonna take some giant question mark when he has much more sure talent in front of him. Players that he's personally seen and knows are much closer to being NBA ready. KrisP is all potential. He's 220 lbs soaking wet and no real strength. How long will it take for him to put on 20 lbs of muscle if he ever does? Phil has much better options at #4 IMO. Let someone else take the chance on KrisP.

Are you talking about phil here, you seem to be so sure of his moves, yet they have all back fired

One has kinda back fired and that'sthe Tyson trade and it's a kinda. That's the only one.

It's fair game to bash Phil on last summer and his subsequent moves, but as i've said he's got a bigger hand to play now and until we see how he handles this much better set of options it's really premature to assume he's clueless or can't build a team. We're literally weeks away from finding out what Phil can get done.

If Phil did pick KrisP i'd assume he had great confidence that the kid would turn into a star. Why else even mess around with such a long shot who is still raw in a lot of ways and certainly not physically ready, if he'll ever be. He's got guys like Winslow, Mudiay, WCS, Kaminsky who he knows are much closer to known quantities. Phil knows NY would love a kid like Winslow who goes hard and has an NBA ready body. Why F around with KrisP when you don't have to?

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:
Did hear that Mudiay would be willing to workout against Russell (forgot the link- might have been Ford). I would pay to see that.

I would think Russell would try to avoid that. In a one on one setting, Mudiay would kill Russell.

Look at this - https://vine.co/v/equndtFYH16

Russell almost looked like he was guarding Mudiay as if he was a lefty.

Also...who what the big man that seemed to shy away so he wouldn't photographed as Mudiay dunked the ball.

Heard Mudiay did well in the game.

He did well...plus thats his game. Russell could do the same to him on the other end. These are the guards of today. It's not about how many points my man has....It's about how many points I can score on him. Thats why I hate the way most guards play today.

I've done that before.....Take my man left all day, then hesitate and go right the next play. Russell was playing the same defense most guards play today, against a guard who can drive both ways......It's a guessing game. Russell guessed wrong. Mudiay's first step is also very fast, the center never had a chance to react. Plus it's the McDonalds game.....They only show case offense, without trying to injure each other.

It's not a real game.

crzymdups wrote:

blkexec wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:
Did hear that Mudiay would be willing to workout against Russell (forgot the link- might have been Ford). I would pay to see that.

I would think Russell would try to avoid that. In a one on one setting, Mudiay would kill Russell.

Look at this - https://vine.co/v/equndtFYH16

Russell almost looked like he was guarding Mudiay as if he was a lefty.

Also...who what the big man that seemed to shy away so he wouldn't photographed as Mudiay dunked the ball.

Heard Mudiay did well in the game.

He did well...plus thats his game. Russell could do the same to him on the other end. These are the guards of today. It's not about how many points my man has....It's about how many points I can score on him. Thats why I hate the way most guards play today.

I've done that before.....Take my man left all day, then hesitate and go right the next play. Russell was playing the same defense most guards play today, against a guard who can drive both ways......It's a guessing game. Russell guessed wrong. Mudiay's first step is also very fast, the center never had a chance to react. Plus it's the McDonalds game.....They only show case offense, without trying to injure each other.

It's not a real game.

Agree. Knicks working out Mudiay on Monday. Be interested to see what they think. If Mudiay were to blow away Phil and the Knicks brass, I'd be okay taking him. Chance he's the best guard in the draft, which at #4 is not too shabby.

Would have been interesting to see what he could have done leading SMU in the tournament, where we have frequently seen teams with good guard-play do very well.

WaltLongmire wrote:Folks on UK have reacted more to workout vids than what guys have actually done in games.

There are still good players out there who have not put out orchestrated workout videos to impress folks like us.

Teams will see much more if players are willing to work out with individual teams, and even more if the agents for the players allow them to compete with other prospects or, at the very least, live bodies who can at least emulate the kind of pressure a player might face.

Mosgov is actually a very good midrange shooter- I expect that he would really impress us if he did a workout video for us. He was great on the pick and roll jams, yesterday, but on the two outside shots he took, one was blocked, and the other was missed with a defender in his face. Guys are getting too excited by workouts and forgetting that you are facing defenders and your own nerves in actual games.

Might be worth waiting before anointing this or that player as our pick. Might be worth going back to some early April threads to see how guys felt differently about some players shortly after the college season ended.

Personally, I have a number of players I would be interested in based on workout performance. Got to trust your talent evaluators, guys. They will see things we never get to see if they are able to work players out the right way.

I did find it annoying to read that Towns may not do individual workouts. Might be good for his stock, but makes me wonder.

Did hear that Mudiay would be willing to workout against Russell (forgot the link- might have been Ford). I would pay to see that.

Lot of time left, and we are dependent in many ways on what the earlier teams choose to do.

Let me see over the last 15 years the "talent evaluators" have not done very well. Even in Phil's first year--not exactly putting Isaiah Thomas or Scott Layden to shame yet.