knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#4 and Cleanthony Early to Minnesota

to NY

pick 31 and 35
G Zach Lavine
GF Shabazz Muhammed
F G Dieng
C Justin Hamilton.

kill youself

As far as trades proposed on a biased Knicks' forum, it is actually not a bad trade for the Knicks, and Minny gets some value. I would love to have some GMs look at it.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:absolutely not... that is bonkers...

OMG these replies are ludicrous.

I highly doubt we will see WCS putting up 10-8 2-2 anyitme soon and thats just Dieng
Then you are talking potential NBA superstar guard in the making in Lavine
NBA 6th man of the year potential in Muhammed
and an under rated under the radar C who would be GREAT for the triangle in Hamilton and then you have two picks which could end up being Mickey and Fuzaro which either could also be better than anyone picked at 4?!?!

Ive followed the beat writer for Minnesota--Flip dishes him and he LOVES Porzingis loves him. If we could hit them up like this we could change our team.

Actually I think WCS could actually put up better than 10-8 and he could match 2-2. Let's not get into hyperbole to try and make a point.

I still don't understand why Minny would make such a deal. It seems like a huge gamble for the #4 pick. Why wouldn't they just keep their collection of talent rather than send it out for basically one prospect?

The beat writer for the Wolves has been talking about Porzingis for 2 months. he has broken news before its happened a few times. He thinks Flip believes Kristaps is KG #2.

Minny taking Porzingis throws Russell or OK4 into the mix with Mudiay at #4, though, unless LA stuns and takes Russell, which means Philly decides our fate.

A lot depends on how good Saunders thinks Dieng is, since he would be the protection for Porzingis as he matures.

Briggs, this would be the one scenario where we could actually choose from Towns or OK4.

Stranger things have happened, I suppose.

Porzingis worked out at some park in Brooklyn, the other day and heads to Las Vegas for the kind of workout we've seen from Towns and others. Not sure he is doing private workouts.

I dont see any scenario where either of the bigs fall.

This is from 6 weeks ago.

Flip Saunders made his way to Europe to do some scouting, particularly to see Sevilla forward Kristaps Porzingis, who is projected as a lottery pick. Scuttlebutt has it that Flip thinks very highly of Porzingis, and depending on how the lottery plays out, may consider him for the Wolves as high as pick #3. It isn't exactly clear what qualifies Porzingis as a high lottery pick, but...well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, I guess.

That would give them upfront after said trade

KG Payne Porzingis Towns Pekovic--that is pretty frikin awesome without Dieng Flips gte his guy he wants and lets not devalue a man love case in point the dudes in the WCS thread.

Guards and Wings--yes they lose Lavine Muyhammaed but you have to give to get.

Whats left

Rubio Bennett Wiggins Early Kevin Martin Chase Budinger

So you give up some--I mean thats fair to give up talent for high tier asset. But at the end of the day you get what could be a coup of lifetime up top

For the Knicks its also a coup becuase in the east a solid group of players can contend. We get two froncourt players who are very reasonable quality players. You get a big physicla athletic SG/SF who was breaking out before he got hurt. I love Lavine and would start him at PG. And then two 2's but HIGH quality 2's we could shake this team up in on year. THIS is value.

BRIGGS wrote:Lets say they took Towns at 1 and Porzingis at 4

That would give them upfront after said trade

KG Payne Porzingis Towns Pekovic--that is pretty frikin awesome without Dieng Flips gte his guy he wants and lets not devalue a man love case in point the dudes in the WCS thread.

Guards and Wings--yes they lose Lavine Muyhammaed but you have to give to get.

Whats left

Rubio Bennett Wiggins Early Kevin Martin Chase Budinger

So you give up some--I mean thats fair to give up talent for high tier asset. But at the end of the day you get what could be a coup of lifetime up top

For the Knicks its also a coup becuase in the east a solid group of players can contend. We get two froncourt players who are very reasonable quality players. You get a big physicla athletic SG/SF who was breaking out before he got hurt. I love Lavine and would start him at PG. And then two 2's but HIGH quality 2's we could shake this team up in on year. THIS is value.

If he thinks Dieng is a keeper and Porzingis is Garnett 2.0, he might just go with that and not trade down, or if he does, he would do it with a team like the Lakers, if they fall in love with Town and make some kind of offer to them.

Lots of Dynamics.

I forgot about Wiggins, too!

Your trade would leave them with a pretty long long team, by the way- no passing lanes against that group.

It is a trade to debate about- maybe tinker with a bit- none of the guys we get is over 25= 20, 22, 25, 25, I think. Maybe we get your Brazilian boy at 31.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lets say they took Towns at 1 and Porzingis at 4

That would give them upfront after said trade

KG Payne Porzingis Towns Pekovic--that is pretty frikin awesome without Dieng Flips gte his guy he wants and lets not devalue a man love case in point the dudes in the WCS thread.

Guards and Wings--yes they lose Lavine Muyhammaed but you have to give to get.

Whats left

Rubio Bennett Wiggins Early Kevin Martin Chase Budinger

So you give up some--I mean thats fair to give up talent for high tier asset. But at the end of the day you get what could be a coup of lifetime up top

For the Knicks its also a coup becuase in the east a solid group of players can contend. We get two froncourt players who are very reasonable quality players. You get a big physicla athletic SG/SF who was breaking out before he got hurt. I love Lavine and would start him at PG. And then two 2's but HIGH quality 2's we could shake this team up in on year. THIS is value.

I'm really talking about the possibility that Saunders simply takes Porzingis.

If he thinks Dieng is a keeper and Porzingis is Garnett 2.0, he might just go with that and not trade down, or if he does, he would do it with a team like the Lakers, if they fall in love with Town and make some kind of offer to them.

Lots of Dynamics.

I forgot about Wiggins, too!

Your trade would leave them with a pretty long long team, by the way- no passing lanes against that group.

It is a trade to debate about- maybe tinker with a bit- none of the guys we get is over 25= 20, 22, 25, 25, I think. Maybe we get your Brazilian boy at 31.

If Saunders takes Porzingis over Towns and Okafor, he'll be anihilated in the press.

Knicks should absolutely do due diligence to see if there's a chance Minnesota may favor Porzingis and offer a swap of 1 for 4. Swaps this high happen all the time.

I would absolutely be willing to do a Chris Webber type deal to jump up to #1. Give them pick 4 and top 10 protected picks in 2018... and maybe 2020.

For Towns you make the gamble. Or, I would, at least.

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lets say they took Towns at 1 and Porzingis at 4

That would give them upfront after said trade

KG Payne Porzingis Towns Pekovic--that is pretty frikin awesome without Dieng Flips gte his guy he wants and lets not devalue a man love case in point the dudes in the WCS thread.

Guards and Wings--yes they lose Lavine Muyhammaed but you have to give to get.

Whats left

Rubio Bennett Wiggins Early Kevin Martin Chase Budinger

So you give up some--I mean thats fair to give up talent for high tier asset. But at the end of the day you get what could be a coup of lifetime up top

For the Knicks its also a coup becuase in the east a solid group of players can contend. We get two froncourt players who are very reasonable quality players. You get a big physicla athletic SG/SF who was breaking out before he got hurt. I love Lavine and would start him at PG. And then two 2's but HIGH quality 2's we could shake this team up in on year. THIS is value.

I'm really talking about the possibility that Saunders simply takes Porzingis.

If he thinks Dieng is a keeper and Porzingis is Garnett 2.0, he might just go with that and not trade down, or if he does, he would do it with a team like the Lakers, if they fall in love with Town and make some kind of offer to them.

Lots of Dynamics.

I forgot about Wiggins, too!

Your trade would leave them with a pretty long long team, by the way- no passing lanes against that group.

It is a trade to debate about- maybe tinker with a bit- none of the guys we get is over 25= 20, 22, 25, 25, I think. Maybe we get your Brazilian boy at 31.

Nope no chance he take Porzingis at 1.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lets say they took Towns at 1 and Porzingis at 4

That would give them upfront after said trade

KG Payne Porzingis Towns Pekovic--that is pretty frikin awesome without Dieng Flips gte his guy he wants and lets not devalue a man love case in point the dudes in the WCS thread.

Guards and Wings--yes they lose Lavine Muyhammaed but you have to give to get.

Whats left

Rubio Bennett Wiggins Early Kevin Martin Chase Budinger

So you give up some--I mean thats fair to give up talent for high tier asset. But at the end of the day you get what could be a coup of lifetime up top

For the Knicks its also a coup becuase in the east a solid group of players can contend. We get two froncourt players who are very reasonable quality players. You get a big physicla athletic SG/SF who was breaking out before he got hurt. I love Lavine and would start him at PG. And then two 2's but HIGH quality 2's we could shake this team up in on year. THIS is value.

I'm really talking about the possibility that Saunders simply takes Porzingis.

If he thinks Dieng is a keeper and Porzingis is Garnett 2.0, he might just go with that and not trade down, or if he does, he would do it with a team like the Lakers, if they fall in love with Town and make some kind of offer to them.

Lots of Dynamics.

I forgot about Wiggins, too!

Your trade would leave them with a pretty long long team, by the way- no passing lanes against that group.

It is a trade to debate about- maybe tinker with a bit- none of the guys we get is over 25= 20, 22, 25, 25, I think. Maybe we get your Brazilian boy at 31.

Nope no chance he take Porzingis at 1.

He already has a guy on his team-Bennett-who I could use to challenge this assertion!

Sorry no Towns or Ok4 on the board that year for Cleveland. Also the Minny reporters were specific about it--as in "3" back. Same guy who have broken trades before they happened. Some fans on Lakersground who have the ins it seems like say that Russell is a possibility with growing steam at 2 if no Towns there.

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lets say they took Towns at 1 and Porzingis at 4

That would give them upfront after said trade

KG Payne Porzingis Towns Pekovic--that is pretty frikin awesome without Dieng Flips gte his guy he wants and lets not devalue a man love case in point the dudes in the WCS thread.

Guards and Wings--yes they lose Lavine Muyhammaed but you have to give to get.

Whats left

Rubio Bennett Wiggins Early Kevin Martin Chase Budinger

So you give up some--I mean thats fair to give up talent for high tier asset. But at the end of the day you get what could be a coup of lifetime up top

For the Knicks its also a coup becuase in the east a solid group of players can contend. We get two froncourt players who are very reasonable quality players. You get a big physicla athletic SG/SF who was breaking out before he got hurt. I love Lavine and would start him at PG. And then two 2's but HIGH quality 2's we could shake this team up in on year. THIS is value.

I'm really talking about the possibility that Saunders simply takes Porzingis.

If he thinks Dieng is a keeper and Porzingis is Garnett 2.0, he might just go with that and not trade down, or if he does, he would do it with a team like the Lakers, if they fall in love with Town and make some kind of offer to them.

Lots of Dynamics.

I forgot about Wiggins, too!

Your trade would leave them with a pretty long long team, by the way- no passing lanes against that group.

It is a trade to debate about- maybe tinker with a bit- none of the guys we get is over 25= 20, 22, 25, 25, I think. Maybe we get your Brazilian boy at 31.

Nope no chance he take Porzingis at 1.

He already has a guy on his team-Bennett-who I could use to challenge this assertion!

Sorry no Towns or Ok4 on the board that year for Cleveland. Also the Minny reporters were specific about it--as in "3" back. Same guy who have broken trades before they happened. Some fans on Lakersground who have the ins it seems like say that Russell is a possibility with growing steam at 2 if no Towns there.

Briggs- ever think about what OK4 might look like when we finally see what he has been working on? You already know that he has lost some weight and gained some muscle.

Guys started having wet dreams when Stein was hitting Js against imaginary defenders, what if OK4 shows a retooled game? Kid has pride, and unlike Stein, he's already shown us in actual games, with living defenders, some offensive skills and polish in the post that nobody, including Towns has shown.

Neither has Porzingis had has public workout, and he is another guy who has actually shown offensive talent, and in a league that is superior to the NCAA, I might add.

The process is ongoing, and a lot of variables are in play, IMO.

BRIGGS wrote:#4 and Cleanthony Early to Minnesota

to NY

pick 31 and 35
G Zach Lavine
GF Shabazz Muhammed
F G Dieng
C Justin Hamilton.

Well Briggs - I see that approximately 100% of the posters didn't like your trade so that means it's probably a decent one for the Knicks.

Have to be honest - I think it's a really good effort.

Me personally -- I might prefer Rubio be inserted somewhere for someone but I was a big fan of Z-Lavine last draft and I don't think it's too far fetched to think he could turn out better than one of the guards who might be sitting there at #4.

Muhammed playing the 2 next to Melo at the 3 -- not sure I like that combo in terms of D and quickness but Dieng would be a nice add and the picks could potentially net a sleeper.

Not bad -- really comes down to whether or not people think Lavine will become a legit player.

Remember he received relatively no time his first chunk of games

10 games avg 21 points 5.7 rebounds 6 assists 1 steal 55% eFg the only other players do have 10 day game runs at this age were Lebron James and Tyreke Evans difference is Lavine has a quality stroke and is more athletic than Evans who relied on his power to get to the hoop.

If Lavine stayed in school I guarantee to a high % that hed be in the top 6 conversation. And hes got his first year in which puts him several miles ahead of anyone we draft. Remember he was a lottery pick the year before.

This whole thread is an avenue--its my belief that potentially the highest value we get is by looking around instead of just limiting ourselves to 3 players who all have flaw

FistOfOakley wrote:absolutely not... that is bonkers...

What's bonkers is saying no to that trade.