WaltLongmire wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MCW had a lot of the same flaws Mudiay has yet won rookie of the yr. Mudiay will be a 5 reb, 6-7ast, 1.5stls guard right out of the gate.He is NBA ready in those fields. Probably score 12-15pts as well and have 3.5 TOs as well as a rook. His shooting % is the only real question mark.

So, with the exception of scoring, he'll be basically as productive against NBA players right away as he was against the Chinese leaguecollege guys? This seems like Knick fan fantasy land.

Don't know how Mudiay will eventually turn out, but your observation can be applied, with some personalization, to anyone coming out of the draft...No?

Bonn1997 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MCW had a lot of the same flaws Mudiay has yet won rookie of the yr. Mudiay will be a 5 reb, 6-7ast, 1.5stls guard right out of the gate.He is NBA ready in those fields. Probably score 12-15pts as well and have 3.5 TOs as well as a rook. His shooting % is the only real question mark.

So, with the exception of scoring, he'll be basically as productive against NBA players right away as he was against the Chinese leaguecollege guys? This seems like Knick fan fantasy land.

Don't know how Mudiay will eventually turn out, but your observation can be applied, with some personalization, to anyone coming out of the draft...No?

Yes, in fact it *should* be applied to most players coming out of the draft. There will not be many players who put up bigger #s as an NBA rookie than in their final college year.

not sure that goes well with the many folks around here prone to hyperbole, or irrational exuberance.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MCW had a lot of the same flaws Mudiay has yet won rookie of the yr. Mudiay will be a 5 reb, 6-7ast, 1.5stls guard right out of the gate.He is NBA ready in those fields. Probably score 12-15pts as well and have 3.5 TOs as well as a rook. His shooting % is the only real question mark.

So, with the exception of scoring, he'll be basically as productive against NBA players right away as he was against the Chinese leaguecollege guys? This seems like Knick fan fantasy land.

Don't know how Mudiay will eventually turn out, but your observation can be applied, with some personalization, to anyone coming out of the draft...No?

Yes, in fact it *should* be applied to most players coming out of the draft. There will not be many players who put up bigger #s as an NBA rookie than in their final college year.

So, I see...you're trying to look at things with a certain degree of perspective...

not sure that goes well with the many folks around here prone to hyperbole, or irrational exuberance.

The players who do. Do so because there games are more suited for NBA play then College play. MCW averaged 8.2pts 3.6rebs 5.2ast in college.

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:So we've got Mudiay coming in monday June 8th and WCS coming in June 16th for workouts. It's going to get interesting.

Jerry West liked what he saw, that right there is something to go on.

Mudiay is going to kill in workouts. We are going to see more chatter about him being in consideration for pick 1 and 2 all the way up to the draft. He has that tier 1 upside, same as the other 3. He's got franchise changing potential.

Works with the Lakers on Sat.

Ford said Mudiay worked on his body and came in with 9 lbs of added muscle

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Also showing distance with his Jumper. That shot ain't broken folks.

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Some eye-candy for people turned on by this kind of thing.

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WaltLongmire wrote:Hahn saying that the Knicks have actually seen enough of Mudiay so that they are less concerned about what he can show them in a workout, and more concerned about see what's inside his head. He referred to Gruden's "Quarterback School" sit down where he grills them and gives them situations to see what they would do.

Phil has obviously had some folks he trusts looking at him.

Also remember what he said about "penetration" in that tweet. Mudiay is arguably the best penetrator in the draft, and he can pass or finish.

I guess they want to see if he would be able to mentally handle playing in the triangle.

WaltLongmire wrote:Seems to have video from his LA workout today:
http://www.tout.com/m/csui1t?ref=tw2uaovo

Thanks.

He always seems to be tired, slow and huffing and puffing in these vids- not sure if he has NBA conditioning yet

smackeddog wrote:Chad ford has a couple more vids on his Twitter- can't post them due to this crappy tablet I'm on!

One thing I will say- I don't think he has elite athleticism, even in the China vids he didn't look especially athletic. I don't think athleticism is the be all and end all, but if your not a great shooter either, you're kind of stuck in a shumpert kind of a level.

I don't think he's going to kill it in workouts so unfortunately the top 3 teams aren't going to pick him. Not saying we shouldn't, but I need more info!

Mudiay's thing is really being a legit big PG who can run an offense. He can push the ball and get easy buckets. He is athletic but not so much in game action. I think Mudiay would be great in a fast paced offense where he can attack the basket. He'll be able to improve his shooting but he's likely never going to be a scary deep threat.

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Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Mudiay has potential to be a TOP TIER PG like John Wall

The Triangle NEEDS ALL STAR TALENTS

We have no TOP STARS

Shaq/Kobe, Pau Gasol/Bynum/Kobe/Odom/Ariza, Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman

Because of his potential, a team will likely be more willing to trade more for him especially Philly who has multiple assets and could use Muddiay and Russell for their future, and we take back

Muddiay
Russell
Dario Saric/Covington
Embid/Covington *as a stretch 4 with Saric*
Noel

with plenty of young rotational player on the minimum with many more draft picks as well, along with the cap space in 2017 to sign 2 MAX TOP TIER FA's

IF A TEAM IS WILLING TO PAY a premium in a trade due to his potential, we could consider it as well like

Mudiay for

Tony Wroten
2-3 1st rounders (one less if they take Calderon's contract)
LA's top 3 protected pick
Miami's TOP 10 protected pick
Philly's future pick

5 2nd rounders in this draft that we could use or stash
and other future 2nd rounders, with 2 1st rounders being the minimum depending on which 1st rounders they give up

Why are you guys so quick to compare this kid to Wall or Westbrook? Do you realise how much more advance those two players were right out of college? This Mudiay dude does not have the skills of neither of those guys

From what I have seen of him he reminds me of Jason Kidd coming out of Cal. Big, fast with great court vision. He could end up being te best player in the draft. Also, Kidd couldn't hit the three coming out of college and evolved into a good 3 pt shooter.

Wow, great comparison Crush. I can definitely see that.

While it maybe a decent comparison, this isn't 1997 when shooting 3's was a luxury, not mandatory as it is now. If you have a guard that can't shoot 3's in the triangle, he's almost worthless, and that's probably in any system in today's NBA. It's all about drive and kick, opening up the paint. How can you do that with a pg that shoots 30% from 3, phil system may not rely on 3's, but he had snipers on everyone of his championship rosters. From Kerr, BJ, Paxson, farmer, harper, fisher, kobe, jordan, and less forget the amount of energy pg's have to spend on defense with so many talent pg's in the nba. So having a reliable pg who can knock down a 3 is definitely mandatory IMO.

John Wall disagrees