TripleThreat wrote:

Papabear wrote:
Who do you think will come to New York? You have to have thick skin to play in New York. Ask JR Smith And Shump. You spit all over both of them and now look what they have. No star on the rise will come to New York as a FA. Melo had the balls to come to NY. Look we even blew the tanking plan. We should have lost those last 3 games. Now we are ass holes again. Melo and Phil Jackson will be long gone before we become a championship level team. For basketball in New York you have too many temptations. Stop blaming Melo. He was never surrounded by the right players. JR Smith and Shump could not handle New York. Too much temptation. too much pressure. If JR Smith and Shump was not in Cleveland LeBron would not have this chance to win a championship. If you want to blame someone blame yourself and all the other hater will knock down any star who comes to New York. That is our DNA

"It's my fault, I PROVOKED HIM!"

"I should have left him alone, he was so STRESSED OUT, that's not really him inside... I know him inside..."

"He had a tough childhood, his Dad hit him, so it's all he knows..."

"If I leave him, where will I go? How will I support myself?"

"As long as he focuses it on me, and not the kids, that's ok."

"There are people who have it worse than me, I should focus on that."

"No one else will want me or love me like he does"

PapaBear, congratulations, you've just made a legion of Knicks fans sound like a bunch of battered wives.

The same excuses you roll out for Melo are the same kind of excuses that WOMEN WHO GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE GIVE WHEN THEY DON'T LEAVE THE DOUCHEBAG WHO USES THEIR FACE FOR A SPEEDBAG.

Think about it, you just said that Melo is better than whatever the alternative would be, he's never gotten the support he needed and NY is just too tough to play in and it comes down to "haters"

Your defense of Melo is pathetic.

If the Knicks lost but Melo gave everything he had, a lot of his critics would actually sympathize with him.

I'm a Ranger diehard, and I know plenty of other Ranger faithful and yet I can find no one, not one of us, who begrudged what Ray Bourque went through with the Bruins, year after year, losing and always being one of the best players in the league, but always playing the right way and always being a leader and example. And no one begrudged him when he got a ring later in his career with a different team.

You sound like a battered wife. You've reduced Knick fans to a bunch of battered wives just to justify Melo's happy horse****.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Especially the battered wife thing. Be careful when you speak about battered women and not leaving when she gets beat. There are many reasons why they don't leave. I'm not a professional in that field and neither are you and if you were you would not compare battered women to Knicks fans. Battered women is a serious thing that effects many women in the world. Basketball is just a fun sport where some people get paid well for playing the game and we cheer them on.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure how most people look at Melo, but my guess is that his contracts are the reason most people critic him....

I know a guy who has worked in TV production for a long long time. He was working on a long running very popular cable show, and one of the longest tenured actors on the show approached the producers and wanted to direct. Apparently the actor had been talking to other veteran actors he knew, and they all told him, to make the most of his opportunities now and get into producing, writing, directing and behind the camera work now, so he could have a future when his acting opportunities would naturally dry up.

So he apparently went into a meeting alone with one of the head showrunners and the showrunner pulled out a notebook. Inside the notebook was a list of every single time the actor was late for work, across multiple seasons, and he had an accountant calculate what the value in dollars that lost time was worth. The list was very very long and the notebook was very full. The showrunner pointed out that the actor got away with it because he was an indispensable part of the show's plot/mythology and popular with the fanbase, and no matter how many people tried to talk to him about it, he kept being tardy. Then the showrunner pointed out some of the people they had to let go, not actors, but crew, because of budget reasons and made it clear that if the actor had just showed up on time, the money saved would have been enough to save a couple of actual jobs.

The showrunner apparently said, if you want to direct, you want more responsibility, you want more opportunity, then you need to act in a way where the show comes first, the people here come first. Then he asked the actor, how would he feel if he lost a job he needed because someone else where he worked just didn't feel like coming in on time?

Apparently, two years later, the actor finally got a chance to direct an episode, he never came late again and he apparently had to have a Come To Jesus moment with his agent and agency and totally changed his attitude when it came to his craft and his responsibility not just to himself, but everyone who relied on the show for a job.

If Melo doesn't want to get criticized so much, then show up in shape, act like a true leader, and actually play defense. The BARE MINIMUM that should be expected of ANY NBA VETERAN. To do less is disrespectful to the franchise, to it's loyal fans and to the game itself. Just like the actor, just because you have the leverage to be a douchebag doesn't mean it's good for the entire team, the entire goal of the unit, for the greater good of all involved.

What boggles my mind is there are people here who say, "Hey Melo, Jesus H Christ dude, play some mother ****ing defense will you?" and then some of you start railing in and calling people Melo Haters when Melo's happy horse**** no effort no integrity BS is an insult to every Knick fan, to the uniform he wears, and to the entire franchise. He's basically spitting in your face and some of you are acting like the thing to do is treat it like it's ok and then justify it.

I feel sorry for some of you here that defend Melo at all costs and think that happy horse**** is good enough for the Knicks fandom. Knicks fans, the diehard fans, the loyal fans, they deserve better. They deserve someone who will at least do the bare minimum of what it means to be a god damn professional.

Papabear Says

Grow up man. Melo did not loose this season for us. Start with Phil Jackson and the coach he picked, and the trades he made, and the tanking that blew up in our face. It's easy to blame Melo. That is why no star player is coming to New York. Why? Because is people like you who feels that if the Knicks loose its their fault.

he has doomed the franchise to a treadmill/limbo/purgatory for as long as he remains a knick. he is one of the main reasons the knicks are a mess. and "surrounding him with the right players" is nonsense. the real and honest account is that MELO IS HARD TO PLAY WITH.

Are these current thoughts or are they cut and pasted from a DK classic?

the knicks will not sniff a title so long as this clown is on the roster. please bookmark and use when i am proven wrong.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure how most people look at Melo, but my guess is that his contracts are the reason most people critic him....

I know a guy who has worked in TV production for a long long time. He was working on a long running very popular cable show, and one of the longest tenured actors on the show approached the producers and wanted to direct. Apparently the actor had been talking to other veteran actors he knew, and they all told him, to make the most of his opportunities now and get into producing, writing, directing and behind the camera work now, so he could have a future when his acting opportunities would naturally dry up.

So he apparently went into a meeting alone with one of the head showrunners and the showrunner pulled out a notebook. Inside the notebook was a list of every single time the actor was late for work, across multiple seasons, and he had an accountant calculate what the value in dollars that lost time was worth. The list was very very long and the notebook was very full. The showrunner pointed out that the actor got away with it because he was an indispensable part of the show's plot/mythology and popular with the fanbase, and no matter how many people tried to talk to him about it, he kept being tardy. Then the showrunner pointed out some of the people they had to let go, not actors, but crew, because of budget reasons and made it clear that if the actor had just showed up on time, the money saved would have been enough to save a couple of actual jobs.

The showrunner apparently said, if you want to direct, you want more responsibility, you want more opportunity, then you need to act in a way where the show comes first, the people here come first. Then he asked the actor, how would he feel if he lost a job he needed because someone else where he worked just didn't feel like coming in on time?

Apparently, two years later, the actor finally got a chance to direct an episode, he never came late again and he apparently had to have a Come To Jesus moment with his agent and agency and totally changed his attitude when it came to his craft and his responsibility not just to himself, but everyone who relied on the show for a job.

If Melo doesn't want to get criticized so much, then show up in shape, act like a true leader, and actually play defense. The BARE MINIMUM that should be expected of ANY NBA VETERAN. To do less is disrespectful to the franchise, to it's loyal fans and to the game itself. Just like the actor, just because you have the leverage to be a douchebag doesn't mean it's good for the entire team, the entire goal of the unit, for the greater good of all involved.

What boggles my mind is there are people here who say, "Hey Melo, Jesus H Christ dude, play some mother ****ing defense will you?" and then some of you start railing in and calling people Melo Haters when Melo's happy horse**** no effort no integrity BS is an insult to every Knick fan, to the uniform he wears, and to the entire franchise. He's basically spitting in your face and some of you are acting like the thing to do is treat it like it's ok and then justify it.

I feel sorry for some of you here that defend Melo at all costs and think that happy horse**** is good enough for the Knicks fandom. Knicks fans, the diehard fans, the loyal fans, they deserve better. They deserve someone who will at least do the bare minimum of what it means to be a god damn professional.

Papabear Says

Grow up man. Melo did not loose this season for us. Start with Phil Jackson and the coach he picked, and the trades he made, and the tanking that blew up in our face. It's easy to blame Melo. That is why no star player is coming to New York. Why? Because is people like you who feels that if the Knicks loose its their fault.

he has doomed the franchise to a treadmill/limbo/purgatory for as long as he remains a knick. he is one of the main reasons the knicks are a mess. and "surrounding him with the right players" is nonsense. the real and honest account is that MELO IS HARD TO PLAY WITH.

Are these current thoughts or are they cut and pasted from a DK classic?

the knicks will not sniff a title so long as this clown is on the roster. please bookmark and use when i am proven wrong.

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Papabear wrote:
Who do you think will come to New York? You have to have thick skin to play in New York. Ask JR Smith And Shump. You spit all over both of them and now look what they have. No star on the rise will come to New York as a FA. Melo had the balls to come to NY. Look we even blew the tanking plan. We should have lost those last 3 games. Now we are ass holes again. Melo and Phil Jackson will be long gone before we become a championship level team. For basketball in New York you have too many temptations. Stop blaming Melo. He was never surrounded by the right players. JR Smith and Shump could not handle New York. Too much temptation. too much pressure. If JR Smith and Shump was not in Cleveland LeBron would not have this chance to win a championship. If you want to blame someone blame yourself and all the other hater will knock down any star who comes to New York. That is our DNA

"It's my fault, I PROVOKED HIM!"

"I should have left him alone, he was so STRESSED OUT, that's not really him inside... I know him inside..."

"He had a tough childhood, his Dad hit him, so it's all he knows..."

"If I leave him, where will I go? How will I support myself?"

"As long as he focuses it on me, and not the kids, that's ok."

"There are people who have it worse than me, I should focus on that."

"No one else will want me or love me like he does"

PapaBear, congratulations, you've just made a legion of Knicks fans sound like a bunch of battered wives.

The same excuses you roll out for Melo are the same kind of excuses that WOMEN WHO GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE GIVE WHEN THEY DON'T LEAVE THE DOUCHEBAG WHO USES THEIR FACE FOR A SPEEDBAG.

Think about it, you just said that Melo is better than whatever the alternative would be, he's never gotten the support he needed and NY is just too tough to play in and it comes down to "haters"

Your defense of Melo is pathetic.

If the Knicks lost but Melo gave everything he had, a lot of his critics would actually sympathize with him.

I'm a Ranger diehard, and I know plenty of other Ranger faithful and yet I can find no one, not one of us, who begrudged what Ray Bourque went through with the Bruins, year after year, losing and always being one of the best players in the league, but always playing the right way and always being a leader and example. And no one begrudged him when he got a ring later in his career with a different team.

You sound like a battered wife. You've reduced Knick fans to a bunch of battered wives just to justify Melo's happy horse****.

Papabear Says

I have no idea what you are talking about. Especially the battered wife thing. Be careful when you speak about battered women and not leaving when she gets beat. There are many reasons why they don't leave. I'm not a professional in that field and neither are you and if you were you would not compare battered women to Knicks fans. Battered women is a serious thing that effects many women in the world. Basketball is just a fun sport where some people get paid well for playing the game and we cheer them on.

Couldn't agree more- I work with people in abusive relationships and one thing I can tell you is it's nothing like following a crap basketball team. As usual, with the more ardent critics on these boards, perspective is distinctly lacking.

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure how most people look at Melo, but my guess is that his contracts are the reason most people critic him....

I know a guy who has worked in TV production for a long long time. He was working on a long running very popular cable show, and one of the longest tenured actors on the show approached the producers and wanted to direct. Apparently the actor had been talking to other veteran actors he knew, and they all told him, to make the most of his opportunities now and get into producing, writing, directing and behind the camera work now, so he could have a future when his acting opportunities would naturally dry up.

So he apparently went into a meeting alone with one of the head showrunners and the showrunner pulled out a notebook. Inside the notebook was a list of every single time the actor was late for work, across multiple seasons, and he had an accountant calculate what the value in dollars that lost time was worth. The list was very very long and the notebook was very full. The showrunner pointed out that the actor got away with it because he was an indispensable part of the show's plot/mythology and popular with the fanbase, and no matter how many people tried to talk to him about it, he kept being tardy. Then the showrunner pointed out some of the people they had to let go, not actors, but crew, because of budget reasons and made it clear that if the actor had just showed up on time, the money saved would have been enough to save a couple of actual jobs.

The showrunner apparently said, if you want to direct, you want more responsibility, you want more opportunity, then you need to act in a way where the show comes first, the people here come first. Then he asked the actor, how would he feel if he lost a job he needed because someone else where he worked just didn't feel like coming in on time?

Apparently, two years later, the actor finally got a chance to direct an episode, he never came late again and he apparently had to have a Come To Jesus moment with his agent and agency and totally changed his attitude when it came to his craft and his responsibility not just to himself, but everyone who relied on the show for a job.

If Melo doesn't want to get criticized so much, then show up in shape, act like a true leader, and actually play defense. The BARE MINIMUM that should be expected of ANY NBA VETERAN. To do less is disrespectful to the franchise, to it's loyal fans and to the game itself. Just like the actor, just because you have the leverage to be a douchebag doesn't mean it's good for the entire team, the entire goal of the unit, for the greater good of all involved.

What boggles my mind is there are people here who say, "Hey Melo, Jesus H Christ dude, play some mother ****ing defense will you?" and then some of you start railing in and calling people Melo Haters when Melo's happy horse**** no effort no integrity BS is an insult to every Knick fan, to the uniform he wears, and to the entire franchise. He's basically spitting in your face and some of you are acting like the thing to do is treat it like it's ok and then justify it.

I feel sorry for some of you here that defend Melo at all costs and think that happy horse**** is good enough for the Knicks fandom. Knicks fans, the diehard fans, the loyal fans, they deserve better. They deserve someone who will at least do the bare minimum of what it means to be a god damn professional.

Papabear Says

Grow up man. Melo did not loose this season for us. Start with Phil Jackson and the coach he picked, and the trades he made, and the tanking that blew up in our face. It's easy to blame Melo. That is why no star player is coming to New York. Why? Because is people like you who feels that if the Knicks loose its their fault.

he has doomed the franchise to a treadmill/limbo/purgatory for as long as he remains a knick. he is one of the main reasons the knicks are a mess. and "surrounding him with the right players" is nonsense. the real and honest account is that MELO IS HARD TO PLAY WITH.

Are these current thoughts or are they cut and pasted from a DK classic?

the knicks will not sniff a title so long as this clown is on the roster. please bookmark and use when i am proven wrong.

Where as they will without him? Sure.

if he accepts a trade somewhere far far away the knicks will be closer to a title.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure how most people look at Melo, but my guess is that his contracts are the reason most people critic him....

I know a guy who has worked in TV production for a long long time. He was working on a long running very popular cable show, and one of the longest tenured actors on the show approached the producers and wanted to direct. Apparently the actor had been talking to other veteran actors he knew, and they all told him, to make the most of his opportunities now and get into producing, writing, directing and behind the camera work now, so he could have a future when his acting opportunities would naturally dry up.

So he apparently went into a meeting alone with one of the head showrunners and the showrunner pulled out a notebook. Inside the notebook was a list of every single time the actor was late for work, across multiple seasons, and he had an accountant calculate what the value in dollars that lost time was worth. The list was very very long and the notebook was very full. The showrunner pointed out that the actor got away with it because he was an indispensable part of the show's plot/mythology and popular with the fanbase, and no matter how many people tried to talk to him about it, he kept being tardy. Then the showrunner pointed out some of the people they had to let go, not actors, but crew, because of budget reasons and made it clear that if the actor had just showed up on time, the money saved would have been enough to save a couple of actual jobs.

The showrunner apparently said, if you want to direct, you want more responsibility, you want more opportunity, then you need to act in a way where the show comes first, the people here come first. Then he asked the actor, how would he feel if he lost a job he needed because someone else where he worked just didn't feel like coming in on time?

Apparently, two years later, the actor finally got a chance to direct an episode, he never came late again and he apparently had to have a Come To Jesus moment with his agent and agency and totally changed his attitude when it came to his craft and his responsibility not just to himself, but everyone who relied on the show for a job.

If Melo doesn't want to get criticized so much, then show up in shape, act like a true leader, and actually play defense. The BARE MINIMUM that should be expected of ANY NBA VETERAN. To do less is disrespectful to the franchise, to it's loyal fans and to the game itself. Just like the actor, just because you have the leverage to be a douchebag doesn't mean it's good for the entire team, the entire goal of the unit, for the greater good of all involved.

What boggles my mind is there are people here who say, "Hey Melo, Jesus H Christ dude, play some mother ****ing defense will you?" and then some of you start railing in and calling people Melo Haters when Melo's happy horse**** no effort no integrity BS is an insult to every Knick fan, to the uniform he wears, and to the entire franchise. He's basically spitting in your face and some of you are acting like the thing to do is treat it like it's ok and then justify it.

I feel sorry for some of you here that defend Melo at all costs and think that happy horse**** is good enough for the Knicks fandom. Knicks fans, the diehard fans, the loyal fans, they deserve better. They deserve someone who will at least do the bare minimum of what it means to be a god damn professional.

Papabear Says

Grow up man. Melo did not loose this season for us. Start with Phil Jackson and the coach he picked, and the trades he made, and the tanking that blew up in our face. It's easy to blame Melo. That is why no star player is coming to New York. Why? Because is people like you who feels that if the Knicks loose its their fault.

he has doomed the franchise to a treadmill/limbo/purgatory for as long as he remains a knick. he is one of the main reasons the knicks are a mess. and "surrounding him with the right players" is nonsense. the real and honest account is that MELO IS HARD TO PLAY WITH.

Are these current thoughts or are they cut and pasted from a DK classic?

the knicks will not sniff a title so long as this clown is on the roster. please bookmark and use when i am proven wrong.

Where as they will without him? Sure.

if he accepts a trade somewhere far far away the knicks will be closer to a title.

Like how close the knicks were to a title for the years before he got here?

closer than we are now.

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure how most people look at Melo, but my guess is that his contracts are the reason most people critic him....

I know a guy who has worked in TV production for a long long time. He was working on a long running very popular cable show, and one of the longest tenured actors on the show approached the producers and wanted to direct. Apparently the actor had been talking to other veteran actors he knew, and they all told him, to make the most of his opportunities now and get into producing, writing, directing and behind the camera work now, so he could have a future when his acting opportunities would naturally dry up.

So he apparently went into a meeting alone with one of the head showrunners and the showrunner pulled out a notebook. Inside the notebook was a list of every single time the actor was late for work, across multiple seasons, and he had an accountant calculate what the value in dollars that lost time was worth. The list was very very long and the notebook was very full. The showrunner pointed out that the actor got away with it because he was an indispensable part of the show's plot/mythology and popular with the fanbase, and no matter how many people tried to talk to him about it, he kept being tardy. Then the showrunner pointed out some of the people they had to let go, not actors, but crew, because of budget reasons and made it clear that if the actor had just showed up on time, the money saved would have been enough to save a couple of actual jobs.

The showrunner apparently said, if you want to direct, you want more responsibility, you want more opportunity, then you need to act in a way where the show comes first, the people here come first. Then he asked the actor, how would he feel if he lost a job he needed because someone else where he worked just didn't feel like coming in on time?

Apparently, two years later, the actor finally got a chance to direct an episode, he never came late again and he apparently had to have a Come To Jesus moment with his agent and agency and totally changed his attitude when it came to his craft and his responsibility not just to himself, but everyone who relied on the show for a job.

If Melo doesn't want to get criticized so much, then show up in shape, act like a true leader, and actually play defense. The BARE MINIMUM that should be expected of ANY NBA VETERAN. To do less is disrespectful to the franchise, to it's loyal fans and to the game itself. Just like the actor, just because you have the leverage to be a douchebag doesn't mean it's good for the entire team, the entire goal of the unit, for the greater good of all involved.

What boggles my mind is there are people here who say, "Hey Melo, Jesus H Christ dude, play some mother ****ing defense will you?" and then some of you start railing in and calling people Melo Haters when Melo's happy horse**** no effort no integrity BS is an insult to every Knick fan, to the uniform he wears, and to the entire franchise. He's basically spitting in your face and some of you are acting like the thing to do is treat it like it's ok and then justify it.

I feel sorry for some of you here that defend Melo at all costs and think that happy horse**** is good enough for the Knicks fandom. Knicks fans, the diehard fans, the loyal fans, they deserve better. They deserve someone who will at least do the bare minimum of what it means to be a god damn professional.

Papabear Says

Grow up man. Melo did not loose this season for us. Start with Phil Jackson and the coach he picked, and the trades he made, and the tanking that blew up in our face. It's easy to blame Melo. That is why no star player is coming to New York. Why? Because is people like you who feels that if the Knicks loose its their fault.

he has doomed the franchise to a treadmill/limbo/purgatory for as long as he remains a knick. he is one of the main reasons the knicks are a mess. and "surrounding him with the right players" is nonsense. the real and honest account is that MELO IS HARD TO PLAY WITH.

Are these current thoughts or are they cut and pasted from a DK classic?

the knicks will not sniff a title so long as this clown is on the roster. please bookmark and use when i am proven wrong.

Where as they will without him? Sure.

if he accepts a trade somewhere far far away the knicks will be closer to a title.

Like how close the knicks were to a title for the years before he got here?

closer than we are now.

And in what universe would that be?

the worst record in basketball ... oh wait ... we could not even pull that off

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure how most people look at Melo, but my guess is that his contracts are the reason most people critic him....

I know a guy who has worked in TV production for a long long time. He was working on a long running very popular cable show, and one of the longest tenured actors on the show approached the producers and wanted to direct. Apparently the actor had been talking to other veteran actors he knew, and they all told him, to make the most of his opportunities now and get into producing, writing, directing and behind the camera work now, so he could have a future when his acting opportunities would naturally dry up.

So he apparently went into a meeting alone with one of the head showrunners and the showrunner pulled out a notebook. Inside the notebook was a list of every single time the actor was late for work, across multiple seasons, and he had an accountant calculate what the value in dollars that lost time was worth. The list was very very long and the notebook was very full. The showrunner pointed out that the actor got away with it because he was an indispensable part of the show's plot/mythology and popular with the fanbase, and no matter how many people tried to talk to him about it, he kept being tardy. Then the showrunner pointed out some of the people they had to let go, not actors, but crew, because of budget reasons and made it clear that if the actor had just showed up on time, the money saved would have been enough to save a couple of actual jobs.

The showrunner apparently said, if you want to direct, you want more responsibility, you want more opportunity, then you need to act in a way where the show comes first, the people here come first. Then he asked the actor, how would he feel if he lost a job he needed because someone else where he worked just didn't feel like coming in on time?

Apparently, two years later, the actor finally got a chance to direct an episode, he never came late again and he apparently had to have a Come To Jesus moment with his agent and agency and totally changed his attitude when it came to his craft and his responsibility not just to himself, but everyone who relied on the show for a job.

If Melo doesn't want to get criticized so much, then show up in shape, act like a true leader, and actually play defense. The BARE MINIMUM that should be expected of ANY NBA VETERAN. To do less is disrespectful to the franchise, to it's loyal fans and to the game itself. Just like the actor, just because you have the leverage to be a douchebag doesn't mean it's good for the entire team, the entire goal of the unit, for the greater good of all involved.

What boggles my mind is there are people here who say, "Hey Melo, Jesus H Christ dude, play some mother ****ing defense will you?" and then some of you start railing in and calling people Melo Haters when Melo's happy horse**** no effort no integrity BS is an insult to every Knick fan, to the uniform he wears, and to the entire franchise. He's basically spitting in your face and some of you are acting like the thing to do is treat it like it's ok and then justify it.

I feel sorry for some of you here that defend Melo at all costs and think that happy horse**** is good enough for the Knicks fandom. Knicks fans, the diehard fans, the loyal fans, they deserve better. They deserve someone who will at least do the bare minimum of what it means to be a god damn professional.

Papabear Says

Grow up man. Melo did not loose this season for us. Start with Phil Jackson and the coach he picked, and the trades he made, and the tanking that blew up in our face. It's easy to blame Melo. That is why no star player is coming to New York. Why? Because is people like you who feels that if the Knicks loose its their fault.

he has doomed the franchise to a treadmill/limbo/purgatory for as long as he remains a knick. he is one of the main reasons the knicks are a mess. and "surrounding him with the right players" is nonsense. the real and honest account is that MELO IS HARD TO PLAY WITH.

Are these current thoughts or are they cut and pasted from a DK classic?

the knicks will not sniff a title so long as this clown is on the roster. please bookmark and use when i am proven wrong.

Where as they will without him? Sure.

if he accepts a trade somewhere far far away the knicks will be closer to a title.

Like how close the knicks were to a title for the years before he got here?

closer than we are now.

And in what universe would that be?

the worst record in basketball ... oh wait ... we could not even pull that off

wrong because melo was not the reason we had the worst record... he was injured... injuries happen. pretty sure the lakers record wouldn't have been as bad if kobe didn't get injured. so since they had the 4th worst record in the league, kobe must be the reason they have that record.

wow. great logic.

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Papabear wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Papabear wrote:
Who do you think will come to New York? You have to have thick skin to play in New York. Ask JR Smith And Shump. You spit all over both of them and now look what they have. No star on the rise will come to New York as a FA. Melo had the balls to come to NY. Look we even blew the tanking plan. We should have lost those last 3 games. Now we are ass holes again. Melo and Phil Jackson will be long gone before we become a championship level team. For basketball in New York you have too many temptations. Stop blaming Melo. He was never surrounded by the right players. JR Smith and Shump could not handle New York. Too much temptation. too much pressure. If JR Smith and Shump was not in Cleveland LeBron would not have this chance to win a championship. If you want to blame someone blame yourself and all the other hater will knock down any star who comes to New York. That is our DNA

"It's my fault, I PROVOKED HIM!"

"I should have left him alone, he was so STRESSED OUT, that's not really him inside... I know him inside..."

"He had a tough childhood, his Dad hit him, so it's all he knows..."

"If I leave him, where will I go? How will I support myself?"

"As long as he focuses it on me, and not the kids, that's ok."

"There are people who have it worse than me, I should focus on that."

"No one else will want me or love me like he does"

PapaBear, congratulations, you've just made a legion of Knicks fans sound like a bunch of battered wives.

The same excuses you roll out for Melo are the same kind of excuses that WOMEN WHO GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE GIVE WHEN THEY DON'T LEAVE THE DOUCHEBAG WHO USES THEIR FACE FOR A SPEEDBAG.

Think about it, you just said that Melo is better than whatever the alternative would be, he's never gotten the support he needed and NY is just too tough to play in and it comes down to "haters"

Your defense of Melo is pathetic.

If the Knicks lost but Melo gave everything he had, a lot of his critics would actually sympathize with him.

I'm a Ranger diehard, and I know plenty of other Ranger faithful and yet I can find no one, not one of us, who begrudged what Ray Bourque went through with the Bruins, year after year, losing and always being one of the best players in the league, but always playing the right way and always being a leader and example. And no one begrudged him when he got a ring later in his career with a different team.

You sound like a battered wife. You've reduced Knick fans to a bunch of battered wives just to justify Melo's happy horse****.

Papabear Says

I have no idea what you are talking about. Especially the battered wife thing. Be careful when you speak about battered women and not leaving when she gets beat. There are many reasons why they don't leave. I'm not a professional in that field and neither are you and if you were you would not compare battered women to Knicks fans. Battered women is a serious thing that effects many women in the world. Basketball is just a fun sport where some people get paid well for playing the game and we cheer them on.

Couldn't agree more- I work with people in abusive relationships and one thing I can tell you is it's nothing like following a crap basketball team. As usual, with the more ardent critics on these boards, perspective is distinctly lacking.