NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:why not trade with the Lakers if Towns is picked number 1 and they want ok4? Their is little chance Philly will take ok4 so it would be smart for the Lakers to trade back and get some compensation as well.

jeanie needs to stand by her man and give him a gift.

Towns is the only player in this draft i'd trade up for but we don't have the assets to be trading up and would most likely have to give up future draft picks.

Melo is a pretty solid asset. He's friends with Kobe, he has 5 years left near his prime, he could attract Rondo to LA. We might not get Towns, but the #2 is pretty darn good.

Nevertheless, I'm staying at #4 and snagging Mudiay (or Russell if he drops).

You're not getting 15 years of Jahlil Okafor for 4 years of Carmelo Anthony.

Like the Twolves didn't get 15years of Wiggins for 1 year of Kevin Love?

Kevin Love was 26 years old at the time. That makes him 5 years Melo's junior. That's 5 additional seasons of allstar basketball. Big difference. And most importantly, the Cavs thought they'd be getting much more than a season from Kevin Love.

25 actually and Melo is 31 and coming off season ending surgery.
We basically had the same response to Smack though.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

Or the gap is substantial to them but they're willing to do it if we offered even more substantial compensation.

maybe but I would like to see some precedence that it would take two #1s.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

Or the gap is substantial to them but they're willing to do it if we offered even more substantial compensation.

maybe but I would like to see some precedence that it would take two #1s.

I think trading up from the Mudiay/Stein/Winslow kind of players to D Russell is an unprecedented jump. So you won't find any relevant info. from past seasons. Usually when a draft is considered a certain number deep, teams within that number don't trade down even if it's just one spot.

I get what you are saying but it might not be as small of a top group as we think. Reports are teams are high on Mudiay and others are willing to trade up to get Stein or Winslow. Now for me there is a clear top 3 and maybe for philly there is a only Russell since they don't need a big, idk.

So would you give up the 2018 and 2020 pick for Russell? I would need at least two of there 2015 2nds, and not there last two.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

Or the gap is substantial to them but they're willing to do it if we offered even more substantial compensation.

maybe but I would like to see some precedence that it would take two #1s.

I think trading up from the Mudiay/Stein/Winslow kind of players to D Russell is an unprecedented jump. So you won't find any relevant info. from past seasons. Usually when a draft is considered a certain number deep, teams within that number don't trade down even if it's just one spot.

I get what you are saying but it might not be as small of a top group as we think. Reports are teams are high on Mudiay and others are willing to trade up to get Stein or Winslow. Now for me there is a clear top 3 and maybe for philly there is a only Russell since they don't need a big, idk.

So would you give up the 2018 and 2020 pick for Russell? I would need at least two of there 2015 2nds, and not there last two.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF it is possible the only move Id make would be to trade down and get Kaminsky and Fuzaro--if I could get anything else in terms of Mickey Connughton that would be a huge bonus. But we have a lot of holes and I think the entire NBA is not reading what Kaminsky is and we should take advantage of that.

This whole thing with WCS we just went through it with Thansis--why in the name of God would we want another raw offensive player? What the dudes name Laberdye etc.. we spent another pick on a guy who isnt exactly offensively fundamental

We start getting two way fundamentally sound guys with size and start bunching them up when LBJ gets older in 3 years we might be able to contend then of we load up enough.

We will NEVER EVER EVER EVER win with Carmelo as the leader in the years remaining on his contract--not close.

Then what's the point of keeping him? If you ran the team, would you be exploring trades for him?

Right now melo is above the team. He is the owners pet who traded for him. Would I trade him? If the package I got back represented what I feel Melo could be for the right team than yes. I can also work with Melo and see how it works out while potentially raising his value again.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:why not trade with the Lakers if Towns is picked number 1 and they want ok4? Their is little chance Philly will take ok4 so it would be smart for the Lakers to trade back and get some compensation as well.

jeanie needs to stand by her man and give him a gift.

Towns is the only player in this draft i'd trade up for but we don't have the assets to be trading up and would most likely have to give up future draft picks.

Melo is a pretty solid asset. He's friends with Kobe, he has 5 years left near his prime, he could attract Rondo to LA. We might not get Towns, but the #2 is pretty darn good.

Nevertheless, I'm staying at #4 and snagging Mudiay (or Russell if he drops).

You're not getting 15 years of Jahlil Okafor for 4 years of Carmelo Anthony.

Like the Twolves didn't get 15years of Wiggins for 1 year of Kevin Love?

Kevin Love was 26 years old at the time. That makes him 5 years Melo's junior. That's 5 additional seasons of allstar basketball. Big difference. And most importantly, the Cavs thought they'd be getting much more than a season from Kevin Love.

25 actually and Melo is 31 and coming off season ending surgery.
We basically had the same response to Smack though.

Nope, teams are happy at the prospect of 4 years of an established all star, in exchange for a top pick (See KG and Allen), but yes, feel free to continue to convince yourselves that Melo is useless, has a crippling salary, is hated by every other player, regarded as trash by every GM and is untradeable and so we're stuck with him forever, while he turns 50 next season. This seems to be something you feel you really need to do and I know I'm not going to stop it with a few posts. They call it catastrophizing.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

Or the gap is substantial to them but they're willing to do it if we offered even more substantial compensation.

maybe but I would like to see some precedence that it would take two #1s.

Chris Webber at no.1 for Anfernee Hardaway at no.3 along with 3 future 1st rounders. I think we can all agree that the Warriors went for overkill on that deal.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

Or the gap is substantial to them but they're willing to do it if we offered even more substantial compensation.

maybe but I would like to see some precedence that it would take two #1s.

Chris Webber at no.1 for Anfernee Hardaway at no.3 along with 3 future 1st rounders. I think we can all agree that the Warriors went for overkill on that deal.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How much would it take to move up to 3? I assume we'd have to take on McGee's contract and give up at least one of your young players.

probably the 2018 pick and McGee.

edit. Elfrid Payton(10) and Dario Saric(12) were traded last year and it only cost the Magic a 2017 pick. That was two spots so maybe it would be a 2018 1st or Mcgee's contract not both. There is a chance its even less since its a one spot move.

The Orl/Philly trade makes me think NY/LAL could actually do a deal.

Well Nard clarified that it can't be McGee's contract.
The gap between D Russell and these other guys is widely considered to be substantial, though. I think it would take the 2018 pick and either Galloway or the 2020 pick.
I hope something like top 15 protection on the 2016 pick, Gallo, and 3 mil would be enough. It's a terrible price to pay for winning 1 too many games but I think D Russell is our best chance chance in the near future of get a franchise player.

If there are willing to trade out the gap is not substantial to them so I doubt it would take more than what it took a team to move up 2 spots.

I'll look at some more draft day swaps to compare but look at the Love/Mayo trade. I would include the jaminson/carter trade but that seems to old.

Or the gap is substantial to them but they're willing to do it if we offered even more substantial compensation.

maybe but I would like to see some precedence that it would take two #1s.

Chris Webber at no.1 for Anfernee Hardaway at no.3 along with 3 future 1st rounders. I think we can all agree that the Warriors went for overkill on that deal.

Good one. I guess there is precedence. I am not sure people see Russell as they did Webber which is very highly because Hardaway was "no scrub"(SAS voice).

I think the best thing to do is try to get basic market value for the 4th pick in the trade. If they can get more than 2 1st rd picks(at least one 2015 1st) then they hit a home run and Phil will restore some faith in his ability.