nixluva wrote:I actually think the leader will come from within. I think Galloway has what it takes. He's a tough guy with guts. I think he's gonna be the one to step up.

Love Galloway, and I think he is leadership material in the clubhouse, but on the court there is a different dynamic, and this mostly has to do with Anthony.

You need someone who will "stand up" to Anthony. I don't mean getting into a fight- just someone who will be unafraid to take control on the floor. Chandler was an emotional leader, but was not good enough on offense to assert himself.

Galloway is probably the Triangle expert on the team already, but I don't think Carmelo is going to defer to him.

It was especially evident with Woodson last year, but even this year, guys stood around when Anthony was doing his thing. For the most part, Anthony has yet to completely buy into the Triangle from what I've seen. This has also hurt THJ's development, IMO, because he follows Anthony's cues and I believe THJ is also playing under the assumption that if he gets the ball, he better think shot first, because he may not get it again.

Kidd and Billups both had rings by the time they played with Anthony, and that is something he respected, and I think he was willing to give up some of his authority on the floor. If you bring in a rookie/young PG is he going to let that guy take over in big moments and play second fiddle. We already saw that with Lin.

I think Mudiay is more likely to mesh with Anthony than Russell because he is a more classic PG and more likely to "take care" of Anthony during the game. I think Russell needs to control the ball and the game to be at his best, and you wonder how that will work out in crunch time.

It would be interesting to see Russell and Anthony battle for the "soul" of the offense, though.

Ultimately, Fisher will have to create an atmosphere where someone else can emerge as the on court leader. If Anthony totally buys in to the Triangle, which should actually be a good system for him, that would be a positive thing, but if you see him doing those ISO 1/1 moves at the end of the shot clock too often, or watch guys stand around while he is doing this, we are in real trouble.

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:I actually think the leader will come from within. I think Galloway has what it takes. He's a tough guy with guts. I think he's gonna be the one to step up.

Love Galloway, and I think he is leadership material in the clubhouse, but on the court there is a different dynamic, and this mostly has to do with Anthony.

You need someone who will "stand up" to Anthony. I don't mean getting into a fight- just someone who will be unafraid to take control on the floor. Chandler was an emotional leader, but was not good enough on offense to assert himself.

Galloway is probably the Triangle expert on the team already, but I don't think Carmelo is going to defer to him.

It was especially evident with Woodson last year, but even this year, guys stood around when Anthony was doing his thing. For the most part, Anthony has yet to completely buy into the Triangle from what I've seen. This has also hurt THJ's development, IMO, because he follows Anthony's cues and I believe THJ is also playing under the assumption that if he gets the ball, he better think shot first, because he may not get it again.

Kidd and Billups both had rings by the time they played with Anthony, and that is something he respected, and I think he was willing to give up some of his authority on the floor. If you bring in a rookie/young PG is he going to let that guy take over in big moments and play second fiddle. We already saw that with Lin.

I think Mudiay is more likely to mesh with Anthony than Russell because he is a more classic PG and more likely to "take care" of Anthony during the game. I think Russell needs to control the ball and the game to be at his best, and you wonder how that will work out in crunch time.

It would be interesting to see Russell and Anthony battle for the "soul" of the offense, though.

Ultimately, Fisher will have to create an atmosphere where someone else can emerge as the on court leader. If Anthony totally buys in to the Triangle, which should actually be a good system for him, that would be a positive thing, but if you see him doing those ISO 1/1 moves at the end of the shot clock too often, or watch guys stand around while he is doing this, we are in real trouble.

really good post

Knicks1969 wrote:I know some of you will point out FISHER is our leader or Phil, but I have news for you all; what we need a player or two to play that role, because our best player (Carmelo) is NOT capable of being that man. Phil is dumb to think that Carmelo is that man, and if he does not acquire a proven dude to help guys to be accountable, his stint in NY as President will be a failure.

Leaders:
Jayson Terry
Draymond Green
Noah
D west

Does phil think Melo is a leader?

For Green, his leadership would reflect on our DEFENSE/MOTOR/WORK ETHIC/ both on the court, off the court, locker room and in the gym
He plays as he is a 10year vet and is a huge reasons for the defense and improvements of GS this year

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I know some of you will point out FISHER is our leader or Phil, but I have news for you all; what we need a player or two to play that role, because our best player (Carmelo) is NOT capable of being that man. Phil is dumb to think that Carmelo is that man, and if he does not acquire a proven dude to help guys to be accountable, his stint in NY as President will be a failure.

Leaders:
Jayson Terry
Draymond Green
Noah
D west

Does phil think Melo is a leader?

of course not ... nobody said that phil was stupid.

Phil is betting that Carmelo can find that one ingredient which can help him finally reach his stardom. Carmelo simply needs to become a lot more vocal then he has. Leaders lead from the front and he needs to assume that position. Taking bad shots, being lazy on defense, not leaving it all on the court, are things that he needs to stop doing. I believe JR and DHUMP's success in Cleveland will fuel Carmelo to change his approach to the game.

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I know some of you will point out FISHER is our leader or Phil, but I have news for you all; what we need a player or two to play that role, because our best player (Carmelo) is NOT capable of being that man. Phil is dumb to think that Carmelo is that man, and if he does not acquire a proven dude to help guys to be accountable, his stint in NY as President will be a failure.

Leaders:
Jayson Terry
Draymond Green
Noah
D west

Does phil think Melo is a leader?

of course not ... nobody said that phil was stupid.

Phil is betting that Carmelo can find that one ingredient which can help him finally reach his stardom. Carmelo simply needs to become a lot more vocal then he has. Leaders lead from the front and he needs to assume that position. Taking bad shots, being lazy on defense, not leaving it all on the court, are things that he needs to stop doing. I believe JR and DHUMP's success in Cleveland will fuel Carmelo to change his approach to the game.

Melo is not Lebron. Original.

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:I actually think the leader will come from within. I think Galloway has what it takes. He's a tough guy with guts. I think he's gonna be the one to step up.

Love Galloway, and I think he is leadership material in the clubhouse, but on the court there is a different dynamic, and this mostly has to do with Anthony.

You need someone who will "stand up" to Anthony. I don't mean getting into a fight- just someone who will be unafraid to take control on the floor. Chandler was an emotional leader, but was not good enough on offense to assert himself.

Galloway is probably the Triangle expert on the team already, but I don't think Carmelo is going to defer to him.

It was especially evident with Woodson last year, but even this year, guys stood around when Anthony was doing his thing. For the most part, Anthony has yet to completely buy into the Triangle from what I've seen. This has also hurt THJ's development, IMO, because he follows Anthony's cues and I believe THJ is also playing under the assumption that if he gets the ball, he better think shot first, because he may not get it again.

Kidd and Billups both had rings by the time they played with Anthony, and that is something he respected, and I think he was willing to give up some of his authority on the floor. If you bring in a rookie/young PG is he going to let that guy take over in big moments and play second fiddle. We already saw that with Lin.

I think Mudiay is more likely to mesh with Anthony than Russell because he is a more classic PG and more likely to "take care" of Anthony during the game. I think Russell needs to control the ball and the game to be at his best, and you wonder how that will work out in crunch time.

It would be interesting to see Russell and Anthony battle for the "soul" of the offense, though.

Ultimately, Fisher will have to create an atmosphere where someone else can emerge as the on court leader. If Anthony totally buys in to the Triangle, which should actually be a good system for him, that would be a positive thing, but if you see him doing those ISO 1/1 moves at the end of the shot clock too often, or watch guys stand around while he is doing this, we are in real trouble.

I agree except for galloway being any kind of leader. To me his just a good prospect that has a lot of confidence in his game.

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:I actually think the leader will come from within. I think Galloway has what it takes. He's a tough guy with guts. I think he's gonna be the one to step up.

Love Galloway, and I think he is leadership material in the clubhouse, but on the court there is a different dynamic, and this mostly has to do with Anthony.

You need someone who will "stand up" to Anthony. I don't mean getting into a fight- just someone who will be unafraid to take control on the floor. Chandler was an emotional leader, but was not good enough on offense to assert himself.

Galloway is probably the Triangle expert on the team already, but I don't think Carmelo is going to defer to him.

It was especially evident with Woodson last year, but even this year, guys stood around when Anthony was doing his thing. For the most part, Anthony has yet to completely buy into the Triangle from what I've seen. This has also hurt THJ's development, IMO, because he follows Anthony's cues and I believe THJ is also playing under the assumption that if he gets the ball, he better think shot first, because he may not get it again.

Kidd and Billups both had rings by the time they played with Anthony, and that is something he respected, and I think he was willing to give up some of his authority on the floor. If you bring in a rookie/young PG is he going to let that guy take over in big moments and play second fiddle. We already saw that with Lin.

I think Mudiay is more likely to mesh with Anthony than Russell because he is a more classic PG and more likely to "take care" of Anthony during the game. I think Russell needs to control the ball and the game to be at his best, and you wonder how that will work out in crunch time.

It would be interesting to see Russell and Anthony battle for the "soul" of the offense, though.

Ultimately, Fisher will have to create an atmosphere where someone else can emerge as the on court leader. If Anthony totally buys in to the Triangle, which should actually be a good system for him, that would be a positive thing, but if you see him doing those ISO 1/1 moves at the end of the shot clock too often, or watch guys stand around while he is doing this, we are in real trouble.

This is a very good outline of the Melo Knicks. Agree completely.

If Phil thinks Mudiay can be that guy, I'd strongly endorse taking him. One thing about only seeing Chinese basketball highlights of him - it's harder to read his "personality" on the floor. You can see his style of play, but it's harder to tell if he's a leader on the floor and how he interacts with other players - probably because they aren't speaking the same language most of the time. I do think Mudiay probably set himself back a little in developing his floor game to be a leader.

Of course, Melo has already gone on record that it'd be difficult to bring a 19yr old Point Guard in, hinting that he'd have a hard time respecting Mudiay, too. I think they could clash. Seeing the look on Melo's face when Lin wouldn't immediately give him the ball at the end of the game against the Pacers waaay back in 2012... I worry Melo will not respect any PG who isn't already a champion or something. Which is why at one point I was advocating looking into Rondo. I like Rondo, but he'd probably be a bad triangle fit. Though I think Melo would defer to him. I'll still be curious if we hear the Knicks are pursuing or talking to Rondo this off-season

Anthony's been seen with OK4 and Winslow...anyone else.

I think Anthony would have more issues with Russell than Mudiay, though, if the stuff we hear about Mudiay being a true PG is legit.

I would like to see us take Porzingis or Kaminsky, but if Mudiay can play D, shows his athleticism (thought I heard one scout say he looked stronger after coming back from his injury), and is really the court general some think he is, I'll be satisfied with him.

I've heard some guys say his shot is broken- I don't see this, although the poor foul shooting is puzzling.

Wonder if Anthony will go to any of the team workouts when they are taking place?

Knicks1969 wrote:Leaders are born, but one can also be coached/trained to become a leader. I spent ten years in the US Army; I have seen many who came in with a bad rap, but turned out and became excellent leaders. Phil might have seen something in Carmelo that we don't know. We will see next season if Carmelo can be a leader.

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