nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Monroe is a dud...He hasn't help Detroit win games, so why bring he here to be slaughtered in the press...He is a low motor, zero drive player...I rather wait a year to make a run at Al Horford..

Monroe is in Detroit. He's bored there and needs new scenery. He's never been in a stable environment there to help him develop. The talent is there, and at age 24, still plenty of potential.

Then NY should do wonders for him..But his game is his game...U can't max a guy out who can't carry your team in stretches...

Also you can't max a guy out because there aren't any better alternatives..Let's wait until the following year...

How do we know what Monroe's max potential is? They only gave Monroe 12 shots a game the last 2 yrs. Meanwhile LMA has avg'd 20 shots a game the last 2 yrs. LMA is a better player but we don't know what Monroe would do with more shots. The Triangle is a better offense for a low post big like Monroe. I'm positive he'd be a much better fit in our offense than in Detroit.

So then why would you max a player out that you don't know is a sure thing?..I disagree with your assessment of fitting in the triangle because he doesn't have a midrange game like Gasol..He is not good defensively on par with Gasol...And he isn't the low post beast you are making him out to be...If he was, he wouldn't be averaging 12 shot and Drummond wouldn't be their main low post guy...

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Monroe is a dud...He hasn't help Detroit win games, so why bring he here to be slaughtered in the press...He is a low motor, zero drive player...I rather wait a year to make a run at Al Horford..

Monroe is in Detroit. He's bored there and needs new scenery. He's never been in a stable environment there to help him develop. The talent is there, and at age 24, still plenty of potential.

Then NY should do wonders for him..But his game is his game...U can't max a guy out who can't carry your team in stretches...

Also you can't max a guy out because there aren't any better alternatives..Let's wait until the following year...

How do we know what Monroe's max potential is? They only gave Monroe 12 shots a game the last 2 yrs. Meanwhile LMA has avg'd 20 shots a game the last 2 yrs. LMA is a better player but we don't know what Monroe would do with more shots. The Triangle is a better offense for a low post big like Monroe. I'm positive he'd be a much better fit in our offense than in Detroit.

So then why would you max a player out that you don't know is a sure thing?..I disagree with your assessment of fitting in the triangle because he doesn't have a midrange game like Gasol..He is not good defensively on par with Gasol...

Monroe is a very good passing big and in our offense he'd get more touches in his sweet spot and he'd get to use his passing to better effect. His max is lower than the older Bigs and will be quite affordable down the line. The other issue is that of the younger bigs like Kanter, Monroe is easier to get cuz all it would take is his signature.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Monroe is a dud...He hasn't help Detroit win games, so why bring he here to be slaughtered in the press...He is a low motor, zero drive player...I rather wait a year to make a run at Al Horford..

Monroe is in Detroit. He's bored there and needs new scenery. He's never been in a stable environment there to help him develop. The talent is there, and at age 24, still plenty of potential.

Then NY should do wonders for him..But his game is his game...U can't max a guy out who can't carry your team in stretches...

Also you can't max a guy out because there aren't any better alternatives..Let's wait until the following year...

How do we know what Monroe's max potential is? They only gave Monroe 12 shots a game the last 2 yrs. Meanwhile LMA has avg'd 20 shots a game the last 2 yrs. LMA is a better player but we don't know what Monroe would do with more shots. The Triangle is a better offense for a low post big like Monroe. I'm positive he'd be a much better fit in our offense than in Detroit.

So then why would you max a player out that you don't know is a sure thing?..I disagree with your assessment of fitting in the triangle because he doesn't have a midrange game like Gasol..He is not good defensively on par with Gasol...

You have to look at more than just how he's played in a less than optimal situation. You have to project how his skills would translate in a better role. It's just knowing how the Knicks would use Monroe compared to how he was used in Detroit.

Monroe is a very good passing big and in our offense he'd get more touches in his sweet spot and he'd get to use his passing to better effect. His max is lower than the older Bigs and will be quite affordable down the line. The other issue is that of the younger bigs like Kanter, Monroe is easier to get cuz all it would take is his signature.

It easy to get them because they aren't good...

Who's good in your opinion? Who can the Knicks get who is good?

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Monroe is a dud...He hasn't help Detroit win games, so why bring he here to be slaughtered in the press...He is a low motor, zero drive player...I rather wait a year to make a run at Al Horford..

Monroe is in Detroit. He's bored there and needs new scenery. He's never been in a stable environment there to help him develop. The talent is there, and at age 24, still plenty of potential.

Then NY should do wonders for him..But his game is his game...U can't max a guy out who can't carry your team in stretches...

Also you can't max a guy out because there aren't any better alternatives..Let's wait until the following year...

How do we know what Monroe's max potential is? They only gave Monroe 12 shots a game the last 2 yrs. Meanwhile LMA has avg'd 20 shots a game the last 2 yrs. LMA is a better player but we don't know what Monroe would do with more shots. The Triangle is a better offense for a low post big like Monroe. I'm positive he'd be a much better fit in our offense than in Detroit.

So then why would you max a player out that you don't know is a sure thing?..I disagree with your assessment of fitting in the triangle because he doesn't have a midrange game like Gasol..He is not good defensively on par with Gasol...

You have to look at more than just how he's played in a less than optimal situation. You have to project how his skills would translate in a better role. It's just knowing how the Knicks would use Monroe compared to how he was used in Detroit.

Monroe is a very good passing big and in our offense he'd get more touches in his sweet spot and he'd get to use his passing to better effect. His max is lower than the older Bigs and will be quite affordable down the line. The other issue is that of the younger bigs like Kanter, Monroe is easier to get cuz all it would take is his signature.

It easy to get them because they aren't good...

Who's good in your opinion? Who can the Knicks get who is good?

I really don't know how Phil and the triangle is perceived/received by today's NBA player..I have no idea what guys are thinking seeing Shump and JR excel in another place...The only reason Monroe comes here is because we are the only one who maxes him out...But Aldridge is good, Love is good, if not wait until next year..We don't have to shoot our wad in one year...

Falk said Monroe didn’t “solicit’’ other offers last summer, figuring Detroit would just match.
“He didn’t do what he did so he could short-circuit the process,’’ Falk said. “It goes against the grain of everything we did. We haven’t even made a short list of teams he’s interested in yet. After the season, after he unwinds, we will sit down, have a few dinners, a few drinks, a few meetings and I’ll present him a number of different teams and I’ll find out what fits his priorities.

“Which team, which geographical area, which coach he wants to play for. The money will be the same everywhere. Does he want to be the best player on a younger team? Or a complementary player on a championship contender?’’

And does he want to play in the triangle and for Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher? The Knicks have $30 million of cap space but probably $26 million will remain after their lottery pick. Monroe’s max contract for years of service will yield a starting salary of about $15 million.

“Do I think he’d be a good fit for the Knicks?’’ Falk said. “Absolutely. He’d be a good fit for 30 teams. Can he work in the triangle? Sure. He played the Princeton offense at Georgetown. He could play in the rhombus. He’d be a great fit for any system.’’

Monroe will likely make his decision quickly, according to Falk, because he’ll have plenty of information going into July 1 and there will be no dog-and-pony show.

According to Falk, when midnight July 1 hits, he’ll start meeting with a few select teams and should make the call “within 24 to 48 hours.’’ There will be no visits to cities, since he’s been to all of them.

“There’ll be no tours, no parades, no balloons,’’ Falk said. “This is a business decision, where he wants to go to work. He’ll have a wide range of teams and options and he’ll start examining them after April 15.’’

The market for the 6-foot-11, 255-pounder, averaging 16.0 points and 10.2 rebounds, should be strong, especially considering a likely scenario of the two most elite centers, Marc Gasol and LaMarcus Aldridge, staying put in Memphis and Portland, respectively, to take advantage of the extra fifth year of their new contracts.

In a bad sign for the Pistons, Falk said the fifth year in Detroit won’t sway Monroe. The Knicks can go only four years.
“The extra year is not going to be a factor at his age,’’ Falk said. “He’s 24. He’s not 30. He’ll have a couple more contracts.”
One clue to Jackson’s desire for Monroe is a recent quote from his longtime confidant Charley Rosen, who told The Post the Detroit center is the perfect big body for the triangle.

“He can score down there,’’ Rosen said. “He’s big, can hold his ground in the post, is left-handed, which holds an advantage to do unexpected things. He can establish position, has good hands and he’s a pretty good passer. He’d be a great fit.’’

nixluva wrote:Look as i've pointed out Monroe wasn't used properly. This kid needs more touches and in NY he'd get more touches. This offense is perfect for his skills. He's a good passing low post big. That's exactly what the Triangle calls for. It's literally a perfect patch for his strengths and our needs. I guarantee his agent David Falk knows how he'd benefit in NY under this style of play.

Falk said Monroe didn’t “solicit’’ other offers last summer, figuring Detroit would just match.
“He didn’t do what he did so he could short-circuit the process,’’ Falk said. “It goes against the grain of everything we did. We haven’t even made a short list of teams he’s interested in yet. After the season, after he unwinds, we will sit down, have a few dinners, a few drinks, a few meetings and I’ll present him a number of different teams and I’ll find out what fits his priorities.

“Which team, which geographical area, which coach he wants to play for. The money will be the same everywhere. Does he want to be the best player on a younger team? Or a complementary player on a championship contender?’’

And does he want to play in the triangle and for Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher? The Knicks have $30 million of cap space but probably $26 million will remain after their lottery pick. Monroe’s max contract for years of service will yield a starting salary of about $15 million.

“Do I think he’d be a good fit for the Knicks?’’ Falk said. “Absolutely. He’d be a good fit for 30 teams. Can he work in the triangle? Sure. He played the Princeton offense at Georgetown. He could play in the rhombus. He’d be a great fit for any system.’’

Monroe will likely make his decision quickly, according to Falk, because he’ll have plenty of information going into July 1 and there will be no dog-and-pony show.

According to Falk, when midnight July 1 hits, he’ll start meeting with a few select teams and should make the call “within 24 to 48 hours.’’ There will be no visits to cities, since he’s been to all of them.

“There’ll be no tours, no parades, no balloons,’’ Falk said. “This is a business decision, where he wants to go to work. He’ll have a wide range of teams and options and he’ll start examining them after April 15.’’

The market for the 6-foot-11, 255-pounder, averaging 16.0 points and 10.2 rebounds, should be strong, especially considering a likely scenario of the two most elite centers, Marc Gasol and LaMarcus Aldridge, staying put in Memphis and Portland, respectively, to take advantage of the extra fifth year of their new contracts.

In a bad sign for the Pistons, Falk said the fifth year in Detroit won’t sway Monroe. The Knicks can go only four years.
“The extra year is not going to be a factor at his age,’’ Falk said. “He’s 24. He’s not 30. He’ll have a couple more contracts.”
One clue to Jackson’s desire for Monroe is a recent quote from his longtime confidant Charley Rosen, who told The Post the Detroit center is the perfect big body for the triangle.

“He can score down there,’’ Rosen said. “He’s big, can hold his ground in the post, is left-handed, which holds an advantage to do unexpected things. He can establish position, has good hands and he’s a pretty good passer. He’d be a great fit.’’

Really? You are going to post quotes from his agent especially David Falk?..You think he will say Monroe can't fit the triangle and have no interest in competing bids from NY..

Uptown wrote:Not fair to blame Monroe for Detroit woes. They stink from top to bottom. From management to players. Place Monroe in a better situation he can excell (see JR). Monroe is not without talent...very good passing big man, very good defensive rebounder and is a live body and is only 24 which means there is room to grow. Personally, i prefer to go after Tobias Harris, but i do not think Monroe is a bad option.

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not fair to blame Monroe for Detroit woes. They stink from top to bottom. From management to players. Place Monroe in a better situation he can excell (see JR). Monroe is not without talent...very good passing big man, very good defensive rebounder and is a live body and is only 24 which means there is room to grow. Personally, i prefer to go after Tobias Harris, but i do not think Monroe is a bad option.

He is not a live body..He is a slow motor player..Monroe has had talent on his teams and can't win 30 games in the East in 5 years..Come on..He isn't the best player on the team, it's Drummond.

Not winning 30 is an idictment on the whole organization. Josh Smith was apart of that talent too. He is now, arguably the 2nd best player on a team thats in the western confetence finals. Sometimes its about fit. Sometimes when a team cant win, its not about the individual, its the parts, and chemistry. Cousins cant win more than 30 either, but i wouldnt put all the Kings woes on him.

The knicks been garbage for a while, i wouldnt put that all on Melo....

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not fair to blame Monroe for Detroit woes. They stink from top to bottom. From management to players. Place Monroe in a better situation he can excell (see JR). Monroe is not without talent...very good passing big man, very good defensive rebounder and is a live body and is only 24 which means there is room to grow. Personally, i prefer to go after Tobias Harris, but i do not think Monroe is a bad option.

He is not a live body..He is a slow motor player..Monroe has had talent on his teams and can't win 30 games in the East in 5 years..Come on..He isn't the best player on the team, it's Drummond.

Not winning 30 is an idictment on the whole organization. Josh Smith was apart of that talent too. He is now, arguably the 2nd best player on a team thats in the western confetence finals. Sometimes its about fit. Sometimes when a team cant win, its not about the individual, its 6the parts, and chemistry. Cousins cant win more than 30 either, but i wouldnt put all the Kings woes on him.

The knicks been garbage for a while, i wouldnt put that all on Melo....

Right - just like JR and Shump weren't actually garbage - they just looked it here. I agree it's about fit and building a roster that makes sense.

JR was the second best player on a Knicks team that win the Atlantic and advanced to the second round. He carried the knicks for stretches when melo was hurt. The problem is your team is not going to be very good or consistent with JR as the second best player.

Now hes in a perfect spot playing along side the best player and play maker in the game and now hes the 3rd and most times 4th best player on that team. The role is better. He is now in a spread offense so the fit is better and he has a stern leader to follow.

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not fair to blame Monroe for Detroit woes. They stink from top to bottom. From management to players. Place Monroe in a better situation he can excell (see JR). Monroe is not without talent...very good passing big man, very good defensive rebounder and is a live body and is only 24 which means there is room to grow. Personally, i prefer to go after Tobias Harris, but i do not think Monroe is a bad option.

He is not a live body..He is a slow motor player..Monroe has had talent on his teams and can't win 30 games in the East in 5 years..Come on..He isn't the best player on the team, it's Drummond.

Not winning 30 is an idictment on the whole organization. Josh Smith was apart of that talent too. He is now, arguably the 2nd best player on a team thats in the western confetence finals. Sometimes its about fit. Sometimes when a team cant win, its not about the individual, its 6the parts, and chemistry. Cousins cant win more than 30 either, but i wouldnt put all the Kings woes on him.

The knicks been garbage for a while, i wouldnt put that all on Melo....

Right - just like JR and Shump weren't actually garbage - they just looked it here. I agree it's about fit and building a roster that makes sense.

JR was the second best player on a Knicks team that win the Atlantic and advanced to the second round. He carried the knicks for stretches when melo was hurt. The problem is your team is not going to be very good or consistent with JR as the second best player.

Now hes in a perfect spot playing along side the best player and play maker in the game and now hes the 3rd and most times 4th best player on that team. The role is better. He is now in a spread offense so the fit is better and he has a stern leader to follow.

yeah, i agree. i think we're saying essentially the same thing. I liked JR here, but once Kidd was gone, he didn't have the leader to keep him in check.

They myth that some one has another in check..Like Kidd was going by his apartment to check to see if he is in bed..

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not fair to blame Monroe for Detroit woes. They stink from top to bottom. From management to players. Place Monroe in a better situation he can excell (see JR). Monroe is not without talent...very good passing big man, very good defensive rebounder and is a live body and is only 24 which means there is room to grow. Personally, i prefer to go after Tobias Harris, but i do not think Monroe is a bad option.

He is not a live body..He is a slow motor player..Monroe has had talent on his teams and can't win 30 games in the East in 5 years..Come on..He isn't the best player on the team, it's Drummond.

Not winning 30 is an idictment on the whole organization. Josh Smith was apart of that talent too. He is now, arguably the 2nd best player on a team thats in the western confetence finals. Sometimes its about fit. Sometimes when a team cant win, its not about the individual, its the parts, and chemistry. Cousins cant win more than 30 either, but i wouldnt put all the Kings woes on him.

The knicks been garbage for a while, i wouldnt put that all on Melo....

You have seen Cousins and Melo take over games and carry their teams in stretches..Melo has led many 50 win teams..Can't say that about Monroe..